[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Is it really? Or is it supporting her fathers complaint? What will her future be? A payment made usually and the man will go free. Will she ever be able to live back in the same village without shame and retribution? How many other girls does this happen to where they aren't supported by their fathers?

Why are you speaking to me like I agree with all this, I totally disagree with that kind of culture, all that I was pointing out was that it was a culture

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why are you speaking to me like I agree with all this, I totally disagree with that kind of culture, all that I was pointing out was that it was a culture

And I'm trying to point out that culture and state are impossibly tangled with religion. Whether interpreted correctly or not, the religion is used as justification for systemic gender subordination.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

And I'm trying to point out that culture and state are impossibly tangled with religion.

You have failed to do that imo because you just stated that if it happened in India (and it does alot going by examples I posted a link to) you would not blame religion but here you do eventhough that list of questions you just asked me (Is it really? Or is it supporting her fathers complaint? What will her future be? A payment made usually and the man will go free. Will she ever be able to live back in the same village without shame and retribution? How many other girls does this happen to where they aren't supported by their fathers?) could just as easily be applied to India

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You have failed to do that imo because you just stated that if it happened in India (and it does alot going by examples I posted a link to) you would not blame religion but here you do eventhough that list of questions you just asked me (Is it really? Or is it supporting her fathers complaint? What will her future be? A payment made usually and the man will go free. Will she ever be able to live back in the same village without shame and retribution? How many other girls does this happen to where they aren't supported by their fathers?) could just as easily be applied to India

No I said "Though if it had been India mentioned I probably wouldn't have assumed it was related to Hinduism because it's a secular state."

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No I said "Though if it had been India mentioned I probably wouldn't have assumed it was related to Hinduism because it's a secular state."

So therefore it makes sense that these two countries just have similar cultures and attitudes towards women regardless of religion

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So therefore it makes sense that these two countries just have similar cultures and attitudes towards women regardless of religion

I also said: However Islam is the second largest religion in India. It's not far fetched that both countries might have adopted similar customs.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I also said: However Islam is the second largest religion in India. It's not far fetched that both countries might have adopted similar customs.

So it's Muslims fault in India too? Ok then, I'm done.