[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

TM cannot make laws that only affect some people. They have to apply to all. So if she has said this, its another outright lie.

I agree with Niamh, though do not think talking would help with the isis situation. The IRA had a clear aim that was able to be resolved with dialogue. What ISIS want is all westerners dead. Theres no room for compromise to help the situation. All thats going to help is having foot soldiers there to kill the bastards. Its kill or be killed in this case unfortunately. But bombing and such isn't working as we are killing innocent people too. In many ways we are no better than ISIS as our immediate response is 'bomb the **** out of their countries'

Yes obviously the two are not similar in that respect but what is similar is if you target all Irish people all you will do is make those people think "hey maybe the IRA are right, we shouldn't be treated like this when our only crime is being Irish" etc that can easily be applied to Muslims in this scenario if they're being told "we're breaching your human rights because you're Muslim so might be a terrorist but hey if you aren't than you should be happy to be water boarded/deported/imprisoned"

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes obviously the two are not similar in that respect but what is similar is if you target all Irish people all you will do is make those people think "hey maybe the IRA are right, we shouldn't be treated like this when our only crime is being Irish" etc that can easily be applied to Muslims in this scenario if they're being told "we're breaching your human rights because you're Muslim so might be a terrorist but hey if you aren't than you should be happy to be water boarded/deported/imprisoned"

Yes exactly.

This is why its really important after each of these events that we remind people not to blame the average Muslim. Yet when people say this they are accused of terrorist sympathizing. Which to me, means those accusing actually do just blame all Muslims for it.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes exactly.

This is why its really important after each of these events that we remind people not to blame the average Muslim. Yet when people say this they are accused of terrorist sympathizing. Which to me, means those accusing actually do just blame all Muslims for it.

Yup nail on the head right there. Which is crazy considering that most of ISIS victims are Muslims.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yup nail on the head right there. Which is crazy considering that most of ISIS victims are Muslims.

Just had a really weird thing happen on the bus which reminded me of how loud I must talk. Was on a bit of a rant to Gavin (why I rant at him about stuff like this I don't know though...given he agrees with me on most issues) about how our media ignore news elsewhere when it suits them...how people keep saying 'Muslims should tell ISIS to stop' and ridiculous things like that. Basically, I told him about the 160 Muslims killed by ISIS yesterday and how thousands are killed each month by ISIS so noone hates ISIS more than Muslim people. Yet people seem to think all Muslims should bear blame for ISIS. And 2 people on the bus randomly joined the conversation lol. Turned out they agreed with me and they are sick to death of having to argue this point against ignorant people who refuse to look further than the Sun headlines for their news.

I then went quiet for a bit, embarrassed that I had been talking loud enough for the whole bus to hear (mind, there were only 5 people on the bus except us, luckily) then apparently forgot about this and started going on about how we are up Trumps arse and how we have to stay that way until we know how Brexit turns out trade deal wise...and some older guy turned round and said 'well theres enough room up Trumps arse for us all to fit' and everyone started sniggering...then I got off the bus.

Nice story

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Just had a really weird thing happen on the bus which reminded me of how loud I must talk. Was on a bit of a rant to Gavin (why I rant at him about stuff like this I don't know though...given he agrees with me on most issues) about how our media ignore news elsewhere when it suits them...how people keep saying 'Muslims should tell ISIS to stop' and ridiculous things like that. Basically, I told him about the 160 Muslims killed by ISIS yesterday and how thousands are killed each month by ISIS so noone hates ISIS more than Muslim people. Yet people seem to think all Muslims should bear blame for ISIS. And 2 people on the bus randomly joined the conversation lol. Turned out they agreed with me and they are sick to death of having to argue this point against ignorant people who refuse to look further than the Sun headlines for their news.

I then went quiet for a bit, embarrassed that I had been talking loud enough for the whole bus to hear (mind, there were only 5 people on the bus except us, luckily) then apparently forgot about this and started going on about how we are up Trumps arse and how we have to stay that way until we know how Brexit turns out trade deal wise...and some older guy turned round and said 'well theres enough room up Trumps arse for us all to fit' and everyone started sniggering...then I got off the bus.

Nice story

That's Hilarious

Oh was just on FB there and they had a live stream of a group of 100 Muslim leaders paying tribute at the London bridge memorial area where the flowers are and that, and my god Vicky, the vast majority of comments popping up were just awful. "too late now" "Why aren't their more of you" "Have you got a suicide vest on" etc etc etc ...................can't do right for doing wrong

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's Hilarious

Oh was just on FB there and they had a live stream of a group of 100 Muslim leaders paying tribute at the London bridge memorial area where the flowers are and that, and my god Vicky, the vast majority of comments popping up were just awful. "too late now" "Why aren't their more of you" "Have you got a suicide vest on" etc etc etc ...................can't do right for doing wrong

Yup have seen stuff like that before. Its awful how many think that way. really really awful and it genuinely upsets me. As if normal everday Muslims could do anything at all to stop these attacks.

When people I know start saying stuff about these attacks and how Muslims 'should be standing up against ISIS' and stuff..I always make a point of asking what the **** they should do in order to please people. And noone ever has an answer. I always point out how ISIS have killed a HELL of a lot more Muslim people than westerners..people seem to be shocked when they hear that and it does tend to shut them up and make them think.

I mean, when there was the attack on the Tunisian beach and the locals all stood around the Brits...was that reported much? Was it ****. The attack was reported on, but the fact that these 'horrible Muslims' protected 'us' was left out. And when it wasn't left out...the comments on the articles were all along the lines of 'rargh, they probably were actually part of the attack, this is just to make themselves look good, was all fake' and stuff. When people talk of that attack, the fact that normal Muslims were the ****ing heroes in it never seems to get a mention.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yup have seen stuff like that before. Its awful how many think that way. really really awful and it genuinely upsets me. As if normal everday Muslims could do anything at all to stop these attacks.

When people I know start saying stuff about these attacks and how Muslims 'should be standing up against ISIS' and stuff..I always make a point of asking what the **** they should do in order to please people. And noone ever has an answer. I always point out how ISIS have killed a HELL of a lot more Muslim people than westerners..people seem to be shocked when they hear that and it does tend to shut them up and make them think.

I mean, when there was the attack on the Tunisian beach and the locals all stood around the Brits...was that reported much? Was it ****. The attack was reported on, but the fact that these 'horrible Muslims' protected 'us' was left out. And when it wasn't left out...the comments on the articles were all along the lines of 'rargh, they probably were actually part of the attack, this is just to make themselves look good, was all fake' and stuff. When people talk of that attack, the fact that normal Muslims were the ****ing heroes in it never seems to get a mention.

yep and if you point any of that stuff out you don't care about the victims blah blah blah

Also to add, what "ordinary muslims" can do according to alot of people is stop hiding terrorists amongst them but we've already heard stories of muslims having reported people who tried to recruit them and nothing was done about it