[DemolitionRed]

We so often get into lengthy debate about the opposition party and although its clear that a number of posters on here are true blues, we seldom hear about why.

What are the Conservatives getting right? and what are their traditional values that encourage you, the voter, to support them?

[Niamh.]

They're about to get even more "traditional" once they get in bed with the DUP

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They're about to get even more "traditional" once they get in bed with the DUP

God (or anyone who actually can!) help us if this does infact end up happening.
We're doomed i tell you, DOOMED!!!!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by JTM45

God (or anyone who actually can!) help us if this does infact end up happening.
We're doomed i tell you, DOOMED!!!!

The whole world is doomed right now i think

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The whole world is doomed right now i think

If only they'd spent more time and effort on Interstellar Travel......

''Stop the World.............I want to get off!!!'' . If only eh.

[smudgie]

I voted Tory, however I am not a true blue.
I voted Tory after the Blair/Brown years, simply because I could not vote for the Labour Party of the time.
The coalition didn't do too bad a job of it so I voted Tory again, plus I didn't like what Labour had to offer.
Had Labour had a better leader and more realistic manifesto then perhaps it would have been a consideration for me this time around, but no thanks, not with Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott at the helm.
In future I could vote either way, as I have done in the past.

[bots]

Not many people are out and out tories in the truest sense of the word.

Most people fall between the focus of the 2 main parties and then are left to make a judgement call on which of the 2 choices best represent them.

People are centrist in the majority, and that's not what the Lib dems offer and the other 2 parties are veering off further left and right, satisfying less and less people with smaller and smaller demographics

I'm watching what has happened in France with great interest, because on the face of it, people are flocking in their droves to the centre ground, I just hope he can deliver on his promises or it could all go horribly wrong for him

[Crimson Dynamo]

didnt vote for them so no idea

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

We so often get into lengthy debate about the opposition party and although its clear that a number of posters on here are true blues, we seldom hear about why.

What are the Conservatives getting right? and what are their traditional values that encourage you, the voter, to support them?

Respecting a democratic public vote for one. That is a Hugh issue in my opinion. I was disgusted at how so many lefties and others were happy to ignore such a vote because it didn't go their way. You really can't get much lower than that in a democratic society. It goes against everything we are supposed to stand for. Many were sticking two fingers up at that for their open selfish interests. Absolutely no time for that.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Respecting a democratic public vote for one. That is a Hugh issue in my opinion. I was disgusted at how so many lefties and others were happy to ignore such a vote because it didn't go their way. You really can't get much lower than that in a democratic society. It goes against everything we are supposed to stand for. Many were sticking two fingers up at that for their open selfish interests. Absolutely no time for that.

'Respect' is a two-way thing and needs to be earned and not just given in 'tradition' especially when the traditional values of a democratic society are no longer adhered too. ''Ain't no body got time for that!'' <

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

'Respect' is a two-way thing and needs to be earned and not just given in 'tradition' especially when the traditional values of a democratic society are no longer adhered too. ''Ain't no body got time for that!'' <

In other words if you don't like the result, attempt to mess with it. Is it 'unearned' because you don't agree with it, because others have a different opinion to you.

[Withano]

Its so awkward that nobody has said a single policy yet

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its so awkward that nobody has said a single policy yet

DR did not ask for policies and so far we have only found one member who voted Tory

Unless you know of other members who voted Conservative?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

DR did not ask for policies and so far we have only found one member who voted Tory

Unless you know of other members who voted Conservative?

2 so far. When asked why they voted tory, none of them mentioned a policy, and thats alarming.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

2 so far. When asked why they voted tory, none of them mentioned a policy, and thats alarming.

I expect they voted for their Local MP who does a great job for them as many many voters do. You are aware that this happens?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Withano

2 so far. When asked why they voted tory, none of them mentioned a policy, and thats alarming.

No, not alarming.
It's not just about what their policy is, it's also down to if you believe they can/will carry them out.
Who you put your trust in at the time, or more like who you mistrust the most.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by smudgie

No, not alarming.
It's not just about what their policy is, it's also down to if you believe they can/will carry them out.
Who you put your trust in at the time, or more like who you mistrust the most.

Perhaps I should have been clearer - it is alarming to me -

Tories are in charge and when their supporters are asked why, their policies arent mentioned. Maybe I'm doing democracy all wrong, but the policies that I want to live with for 5 years will always be the key reason to place my vote. I wouldnt vote Labour for the sake of not like May as a person very much, it isnt the X Factor.. I also wouldn't vote Labour for the sake of not liking right wing people very much like Brillo suggested, it is nothing to do with them... And I also wouldnt vote Labour for somehing the Tories did X many years ago under a different leader and policies, Like TT is suggesting some have done, because its irrelevant.

The responses are therefore alarming to me, because they go against what I thought the priority reason of the general election was about

[bots]

Originally Posted by Withano

2 so far. When asked why they voted tory, none of them mentioned a policy, and thats alarming.

Perhaps people aren't interested in yet another thread where the pack decend

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Perhaps people aren't interested in yet another thread where the pack decend

I'd like this thread to have some level of thoughtfulness and intelligence. I know its precarious but it would be nice if people could just discuss things without all falling out.

Edited to say: I just laughed when I re-read my last sentence. I should go and re-name myself 'thread-killer'!

[the truth]

Tory party lowers taxes on the working classes, they put a limit on benefits of Ł25,000...from the previously unlimited handouts to breed for benefit families
They have created more jobs in the UK since 2010 than the rest of the european 27 countries put together, a staggering statistic and one of the reasons unemployment has fallen and gdp has risen and the deficit is falling
Basiclaly the country and the economy at large is way better off now than it was under labour. This has meant the tories have spent far more per head on the nhs in england than labour have done in wales since 2010. The welsh economy is miles weaker , average gdp is a pitiful Ł18000 per head in wales its Ł43000 in london? that is a staggering difference of 240%? the dreadful welsh economy means less money for public services which again is why the welsh nhs is miles behind englands....the tories have wiped out mrsa in hospitals, theyve strengthen the ombudsmen so people can make private complaints without fear of being bullied as they were under labour and still are in wales....the tories are fighting hard for a 7 day nhs by cleverly employing continental shifts...just like every other professiona medics should work the odd weekend,. Its a lie to say the service is anywhere near as good on the weekend. its a joke on the weekend. It should be the same standard, people should be at a vastly higher risk of dying depending what day they arrive in hospital. the tories gave us a democratic referendum too and respected the result

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

Tory party lowers taxes on the working classes, they put a limit on benefits of Ł25,000...from the previously unlimited handouts to breed for benefit families
They have created more jobs in the UK since 2010 than the rest of the european 27 countries put together, a staggering statistic and one of the reasons unemployment has fallen and gdp has risen and the deficit is falling
Basiclaly the country and the economy at large is way better off now than it was under labour. This has meant the tories have spent far more per head on the nhs in england than labour have done in wales since 2010. The welsh economy is miles weaker , average gdp is a pitiful Ł18000 per head in wales its Ł43000 in london? that is a staggering difference of 240%? the dreadful welsh economy means less money for public services which again is why the welsh nhs is miles behind englands....the tories have wiped out mrsa in hospitals, theyve strengthen the ombudsmen so people can make private complaints without fear of being bullied as they were under labour and still are in wales....the tories are fighting hard for a 7 day nhs by cleverly employing continental shifts...just like every other professiona medics should work the odd weekend,. Its a lie to say the service is anywhere near as good on the weekend. its a joke on the weekend. It should be the same standard, people should be at a vastly higher risk of dying depending what day they arrive in hospital. the tories gave us a democratic referendum too and respected the result

Thanks TT

If I was to read all of this and find all the proper channels to prove them right, I'd be reasonably pleased about some of those things... especially a rise in GDP because that would make a lot of difference to my life.

The problem is, many of the things you stated just aren't so. We have gone over the value of tax to GDP and we've already talked about the Tories halving the debt versus Osborne tripling the debt and we've also talked about the Łbillions cut from the welfare budget since 2010 have made not a scrap of difference to the national debt so I think we just have to agree to disagree on those things.

Interesting what you were saying about the Welsh economy and the NHS within Wales under the Labour party, because this is something I haven't seen any wide discussions on... but then I'm not Welsh.

Wales could never do well under the single market because Wales were big producers of products such as steel and agriculture. When any industry has an EU cap imposed on its production every time there’s a glut, its going to make those lands a shadow of their former self, especially if that land relied on its productions (unlike the city of London which relies on bankers). I think its disgusting that we have to import leeks and lamb to Wales but that’s not going to change whilst we are in the EU, regardless of who is sitting in number 10.

I’m aware that Wales is the UK’s lowest spending country. Block grants which are determined by something called the Barnett Formula are handed out to individual governments each year. The Barnett Formula (worth becoming familiar with) is worked out on populations size. The problem with this is, it’s a historic formula (I believe the last formula was done in 2000) and so the population proportions are different than what we have today. England and Scotland don’t even use the Barnett Formula for services such as the NHS; they work out monies needed based on age, health and poverty. If the British government allowed the same with Wales, Wales would be receiving 10% more funding than it presently does. Its time Westminster burned this arcane formula and stopped inflicting it on Wales and Northern Ireland.

Another thing I wanted to ask you about was the Ombudsman. I believe they’ve now introduced a rail passenger ombudsman? but I can’t find any new legislation regarding parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman? Whilst an Ombudsman can ask an organization like the NHS to make changes, they can’t make or insist that organization changes unless its actually breaking laws.

[DemolitionRed]

Thanks TT. I'm just rushing out but will be back in a couple of hours and I'll take on board what you wrote.

[King Gizzard]

The Tories and any sort of values are not two things I'd put in the same sentence personally

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Nathan

The Tories and any sort of values are not two things I'd put in the same sentence personally

better than labor who say one thing do another? the gap between rich and poor was bigger by the end of labours disastrous 13 years in government than it had been in 200 years

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nathan

The Tories and any sort of values are not two things I'd put in the same sentence personally

I wasn't going to comment here as my only interest in the Cons now,is to see them turfed out.

I couldn't resist having to agree with this post however.