[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If its doing the rounds, lets see it?

It isn't true, that's why

[the truth]

its that damn cladding and the lack of sprinklers that destroyed the building and gave them no chance

[Crimson Dynamo]

Seraphima Kennedy, who worked for the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation between 2007 and early 2016, told Mark Mardell the organisation was "massively overstretched" and changes in policy were frequent.

She said the fact that there are sprinklers in hotels but not in high-rise council blocks "makes you ask questions about how the state values lives and which lives it values".

soruce:BBC

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Seraphima Kennedy, who worked for the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation between 2007 and early 2016, told Mark Mardell the organisation was "massively overstretched" and changes in policy were frequent.

She said the fact that there are sprinklers in hotels but not in high-rise council blocks "makes you ask questions about how the state values lives and which lives it values".

soruce:BBC

It is the responsibility of the state to enforced rules.
But id be ****ed if tax payers money is to be spent on putting in sprinkler systems
thats these people responsibilities, if they own the flat, or the landlords responsibilities.
at the end of the day, these people would most likely not have been for the price to install sprinkers as they wouldnt want to spend the money or see their rent go up.
Living a cheap life can have consequences.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Teresa May visiting those in hospital, which is more important at this moment.

Well no, Theresa May using a tragedy to try to better her standing with the public is not that important tbh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The five tower blocks of the Chalcot estate are fitted with the same external thermal cladding as Grenfell Tower

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

It is the responsibility of the state to enforced rules.
But id be ****ed if tax payers money is to be spent on putting in sprinkler systems
thats these people responsibilities, if they own the flat, or the landlords responsibilities.
at the end of the day, these people would most likely not have been for the price to install sprinkers as they wouldnt want to spend the money or see their rent go up.
Living a cheap life can have consequences.

The flats are owned by the Government. They are state owned so installing sprinkler systems is clearly the responsibility of the Landlord/Owners.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by JTM45

The flats are owned by the Government. They are state owned so installing sprinkler systems is clearly the responsibility of the Landlord/Owners.

Well if that is true, which im not sure it is.
Then the government should have raised the rent higher than the cost to fit the sprinkler system and made us some good money.

[Tom4784]

Sprinklers need to be made mandatory and that cladding needs to be removed from every Block that has them. Health and safety regulations regarding building materials and preventative measures need to be looked over and the penalty for companies and landlords not adhering to them must be strict.

Grenfell is a result of greed and was an avoidable tragedy. This can't happen again.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Well no, Theresa May using a tragedy to try to better her standing with the public is not that important tbh.

Same could be said for Corbyn who made sure he'de get noticed,lots of pics available for him there,whatever she does you will find fault with so no point in responding to such biased views.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Well if that is true, which im not sure it is.
Then the government should have raised the rent higher than the cost to fit the sprinkler system and made us some good money.

It is true and it's been stated repeatedly throughout this thread.

Since when was affordable housing about ''making us some good money''. This is about making people's lives safer, not profit.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Same could be said for Corbyn who made sure he'de get noticed,lots of pics available for him there,whatever she does you will find fault with so no point in responding to such biased views.

Except I'm not telling anyone that Corbyn visiting survivors is important because it's not. Nice job using a tragedy to be petty and score some political points though. How vile.

[arista]

Commons Leader Conservative
Andrea Leadsom has been confronted over the Prime Minister not meeting survivors of the Grenfell Tower disaster.

video clip
http://news.sky.com/story/andrea-lea...ctims-10917280

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Commons Leader Conservative
Andrea Leadsom has been confronted over the Prime Minister not meeting survivors of the Grenfell Tower disaster.

video clip
http://news.sky.com/story/andrea-lea...ctims-10917280

wtaf is she doing there?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

wtaf is she doing there?

Filling in for the PM

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Filling in for the PM

well i see TM has sent in the big guns

noone knows who she is

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

Filling in for the PM

TM is at the hospitals.Cant be everywhere at once.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

TM is at the hospitals.Cant be everywhere at once.

yes she was
back at downing st now

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sprinklers need to be made mandatory and that cladding needs to be removed from every Block that has them. Health and safety regulations regarding building materials and preventative measures need to be looked over and the penalty for companies and landlords not adhering to them must be strict.

Grenfell is a result of greed and was an avoidable tragedy. This can't happen again.

Sprinklers will never be brought into the flats themselves due to insurance issues.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Sprinklers will never be brought into the flats themselves due to insurance issues.

They don't need to be.

It's the hallways, corridors and such outside of the flats that would best benefit from them. Put sprinklers there and you've always got an exit.

[jaxie]

This is devastating, still reeling from the images of the tower burning. It makes me sick to my stomach to think of the deaths and how the people died. Terrible, terrible tragedy.

Can't really say more than that. I see all the political point scoring is still going on. Lovely.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Who would live in London, Million Ł+ houses cheek by jowl next to tower blocks rammed with immigrants in areas you would not want to walk about in after dark. everyone paying through the nose for transport, food, services (much more than any other city in the UK). I doubt anyone in that tower block made much use of Londons glittering array of theatres and attractions

terrorist attacks right left and centre

And still you have that utter plank of a mayor telling everyone its the greatest city in the world

my fkg arse

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Jon Snow put it to a Labour MP who did not try and deny it, why would he have made it up? He is a pretty left wing presenter at the best of the times

Of course he didn't try and deny it because he probably didn't know if it was true or not. This is why government records are kept but in this case, I can't find anything.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Of course he didn't try and deny it because he probably didn't know if it was true or not. This is why government records are kept but in this case, I can't find anything.

Well here is the clip if you would like to see it: https://www.channel4.com/news/everyb...sing-secretary

It is actually 2005 that fire regulations were weakened and I imagine it is this Order that Snow is referring to: http://www.firesafe.org.uk/regulator...ty-order-2005/

In the United Kingdom fire safety was covered by about seventy pieces of fire safety legislation, the principal ones being the Fire Precautions Act 1961 and the Fire Precautions (Workplace) Regulations 1997/1999. In 2001 it was therefore decided the legislation needed to be to simplified. This was achieved with the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 in England and Wales.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Does anyone know if there has been a UK flat fire in a building with this type of cladding prior to the weekend?