[smudgie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

do you think this tower is in danger



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ve-market.html

Ugh, all that dusting.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I doubt the structure is anywhere near safe enough for them to be properly searching yet... Sadly I expect there to be quite a few more than 70 dead.

I don't really know what to say about this thread to be honest. Watching it descend into the same tribal bickering as every other thread. Just totally ****ing wrong. That doesn't apply to everyone but it does apply equally to all sides. Gobsmacked.

The fire department have said that the top three floors are too dangerous to fully investigate yet. That's 27 flats that can't be got to. They think the eventual figure is going to be around 120-150 but it could take a very long time to discover who perished in the building because all evidence of guests staying over was destroyed with the building.

Its the same on all serious debate forums atm TS, this sites no different.

[arista]

[Kizzy]

There is no bickering TS everyone want the same outcome, answers and accountability. I would say the nation as well as TIBB are pretty unified on that.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There is no bickering TS everyone want the same outcome, answers and accountability. I would say the nation as well as TIBB are pretty unified on that.

[Parmy]

People need to back off and let the authorities get on with the job in hand. We saw what happened when she did visit so we can now understand the security risk that caused her not to visit.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There is no bickering TS everyone want the same outcome, answers and accountability. I would say the nation as well as TIBB are pretty unified on that.

Indeed we do Kizzy.
This must never be allowed to happen again.

[jet]

Those poor people have gone through an horrific nightmare and venting their anger towards a specific person is a release of a kind.
I doubt that any one person is to blame for this terrible tragedy, but in the minds of those who understandably need someone to focus their blame upon, May was an obvious target because she does seem cold and aloof. I am now of the opinion that really she is just a very reserved woman who also isn't a 'people person' but a 'practical person' and the day following the tragedy she was up to her eyes with meetings dealing with 101 aspects of the actual practicalities of sorting out all the different things that need to be done. She will look back on the last few weeks as some of the worst in her life, I'm sure. I don't know how she keeps going tbh.
And her troubles fade in comparison to what the people who have lost their loved ones in this horrific nightmare have had to suffer, the firemen who will have to live with what they seen etc. Just awful, all round.
Nobody over the years did anything deliberately to hurt anyone, whether it was Tories or Labour or the London Council etc. Everyone makes mistakes and miscalculations and those who are found to be responsible will have to live with that for the rest of their lives.
I hope everyone involved in whatever way finds peace eventually and something good comes out of this awful tragedy for every single person. A big ask I know.

[Jian Yang]

Rydon won't survive this. No one will offer them contracts now. Rydon have been know in the construction trade as 'cowboys' for years and years. It's all hearsay i know, but some of the work i've seem then do is so shoddy.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

People need to back off and let the authorities get on with the job in hand. We saw what happened when she did visit so we can now understand the security risk that caused her not to visit.

Exactly Parmnion,and as for that mob (some of who were nothing to do with the fire) who stormed that council building,they really aren't helpful as it ended in the building being shut down and nothing getting sorted,From what I can see things are being done,but something like that cannot be done overnight,it takes time,all those people will be rehomes and sorted out,just give people time to do it, You cannot sort things out properly with baying mobs at your feet all the time,hell there are still people who need to be found,lets do that first.I understand the anger of the people caught up in this,but those jumping on the bandwagon to get themselves seen need to help instead of hinder.

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCf4B2UXUAEq58R?format=jpg


Nice summation, she has been a trooper during recent events

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

People need to back off and let the authorities get on with the job in hand. We saw what happened when she did visit so we can now understand the security risk that caused her not to visit.

er its the "authorities" who are to blame

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ell-Tower.html

shocking

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[Jessica.]

I just shared that video on Facebook, it's tragic.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Youtube video

She's upset but not everyone has died, many escaped, we know that, just as we know the victims that need help now are those who did survive but lost everything.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Youtube video

she is not making any sense and should not have been interviewed, this is what happens when too many untrained people have microphones

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

She's upset but not everyone has died, many escaped, we know that, just as we know the victims that need help now are those who did survive but lost everything.

She has a point though who are they? Where are they?
Where is the list of residents?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ell-Tower.html

shocking

Yes the Fire on the outside
taking a angle start

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

she is not making any sense and should not have been interviewed, this is what happens when too many untrained people have microphones

yes pressTV banned on UK TV

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

yes pressTV banned on UK TV

Is her interview not good enough?... The station not credible enough?

Find ANYONE reporting for ANY media outlet that says ANY different. The very same vid is on the evening standard site too.

Here's some more then

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/17/...nt-well-video/

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/16/...p-david-lammy/

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

What about mr small spaces?

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is her interview not good enough?... The station not credible enough?

Find ANYONE reporting for ANY media outlet that says ANY different. The very same vid is on the evening standard site too.

Here's some more then

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/17/...nt-well-video/

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/16/...p-david-lammy/

Youtube video

Kizzy no one here takes The Canary seriously, you must know that by now?


sorry what points she was making are the ones you are on about, she was just ranting?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Youtube video

It's a difficult one, when I first heard the potential number of victims were in the hundreds, I assumed it was tabloid sensationalism but now that's becoming a reality it's grotesque how those numbers are being ignored. I suppose people don't want to announce deaths that haven't been confirmed but I don't think the approach they are taking atm is working. It has the effect of them seemingly sweeping everything under the carpet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

70 still missing according to reports and 30 confirmed so must be around 100?