[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Got to lock this extremist preacher up.

If he breaks the law I am sure he will be

when was that clip from and what was the context?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Exactly.You made my point for me.The point is that he's emphasising this guys skin colour.He would never do that if it was a person of Arabic/Pakistani/African descent

No, they'd do that by emphasing that he was a muslim in that case.

[Tom4784]

The guy is a terrorist, white people can be terrorists too, you know.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The guy is a terrorist, white people can be terrorists too, you know.

we have no idea at the moment as we do not know if the man had any political aims

at the moment, unless you know otherwise, he is a guy who injured some people in a late night incident in London which appears to be due to a hatred of muslims but that has not been fully established. The man is not known to the security service and no group has claimed responsibility.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Got to lock this extremist preacher up.

Why didn't other white men report this man? If white men don't want to be chastised, they need to do more to speak out about these kind of things, to communicate with the authorities to stop it happening. I'm getting sick of our loony left liberal hand wringing response to this, white men pose a real threat to our progressive western democracy and in my opinion it's time we started clamping down on this poisonous ideology before our streets are taken over and the EDL flag is being flown at Westminster. Far too big a risk to take.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's because almost every terrorist atrocity in the world is committed by a Muslim.

That's just not true in the west is it?

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

we have no idea at the moment as we do not know if the man had any political aims

at the moment, unless you know otherwise, he is a guy who injured some people in a late night incident in London which appears to be due to a hatred of muslims but that has not been fully established. The man is not known to the security service and no group has claimed responsibility.

don't disagree on not knowing motive etc, but the PM has labelled it a terrorist attack, so thats what I will go with for the moment.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I mean terrorist bombs at public events right across the world. I mean flying planes into sky scrapers. I mean people stabbing and ramming people with motor vehicles. I mean shooting people, laying landmines, suicide bombers... these are all labelled correctly as terrorist acts. Look at the FBI's top ten most wanted terrorists, they are all Muslim.

I absolutely deplore what happened last night... but lets get some perspective. It's not more terrible because it was a white man, it was equally terrible. And if you want to look at the death count so far between Muslim extremists in this country and far right lunatics, you'll find the Muslim extremists are winning by quite a stretch.

Maybe if M15 deemed far right terrorism to ba anything other than a police matter those stats might change?

'Domestic extremism mainly refers to individuals or groups that carry out criminal acts in pursuit of a larger agenda, such as "right-wing extremists". They may seek to change legislation or influence domestic policy and try to achieve this outside of the normal democratic process. For the most part, they pose a threat to public order but not to national security and are investigated by the police, not MI5.

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/terrorism

[joeysteele]

Another really worrying incident, thankfully it seems injuries rather than deaths.

Just shocking and really this could happen anywhere any City too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

don't disagree on not knowing motive etc, but the PM has labelled it a terrorist attack, so thats what I will go with for the moment.

Is it wise to let Theresa May do your thinking for you?...

[Vladimir]

It's a horrible incident, but it's not terrorism if lacks a political motive and continuity, which seems to be the case.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No, they'd do that by emphasing that he was a muslim in that case.

Because Islam(or being a muslim) is relevant to the motive of the attack.I.E 'Islamist extremist'.

Being white is not relevant.
Terrorists can be white too you know.

Maybe he should be described as a far right extremist or terrorist.

Now do you think the media would say something like 'A brown man aged 48 has been arrested' because that's what the BBC did earlier only saying "white" instead.
What relevance is his skin colour?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Because Islam(or being a muslim) is relevant to the motive of the attack.I.E 'Islamist extremist'.

Being white is not relevant.
Terrorists can be white too you know.

Maybe he should be described as a far right extremist or terrorist.

Now do you think the media would say something like 'A brown man aged 48 has been arrested' because that's what the BBC did earlier only saying "white" instead.
What relevance is his skin colour?

Connotations.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vladimir

It's a horrible incident, but it's not terrorism if lacks a political motive and continuity, which seems to be the case.

If a muslim yelled something like 'Allahu Akbar' during their attack, that is terrorism but if someone who has just attempted to kill a bunch of muslims say 'I want to kill muslims' then that isn't terrorism?

Where is the logic in that?

[Kizzy]

Here's some food for thought, what constitutes a 'hate preacher?'

Could hopkins, farage and certain media outlets be comparable?

'Ukip’s “Breaking Point” poster, showing a queue of refugees and migrants which was used during the EU referendum campaign, was reported to police last June over claims that it incited racial hatred.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7797166.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Here's some food for thought, what constitutes a 'hate preacher?'

Could hopkins, farage and certain media outlets be comparable?

'Ukip’s “Breaking Point” poster, showing a queue of refugees and migrants which was used during the EU referendum campaign, was reported to police last June over claims that it incited racial hatred.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7797166.html

er no

its just bored multi millionaire author JK Rowling virtue signalling for likes as her star fades...

hardly worth an article unless you are a fading once newspaper who resorts to clickbait to pay the mortgage

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

er no

its just bored multi millionaire author JK Rowling virtue signalling for likes as her star fades...

hardly worth an article unless you are a fading once newspaper who resorts to clickbait to pay the mortgage

I say she's got a point..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I say she's got a point..

i say she is talking bollocks as per

[Vladimir]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If a muslim yelled something like 'Allahu Akbar' during their attack, that is terrorism but if someone who has just attempted to kill a bunch of muslims say 'I want to kill muslims' then that isn't terrorism?

Where is the logic in that?

I never mentioned religion though.

Terrorism must include political motives and continuity (more than one attack perpetrated or it must be proved that attacker planned to execute more than one attack).

If a muslim attacker is connected to ISIS or some other terrorist organisation, he is definitely a terrorist. But if he decided one day to drive his vehicle into crowd because he wanted to punish the society for 'being racist' then it is not terrorism.

Many attacks in Europe lately have been wrongly labeled as terrorism by politicians because such lables give them power to use harder counter-terrorism measures. Media also love the word.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i say she is talking bollocks as per

Says the internet troll

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Says the internet troll

im not the one posting peoples tweets as actual articles and posting links to an Alt-left troll site

you are

perhaps you need to adjust the reflective aspect of your monitor?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's just not true in the west is it?

The vast majority are, do you have any facts and figures to back up your claim?

[Withano]

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs. It doesnt matter which paper picks them up to me. If shes got something interesting to say, her words should be shared. Its almost as if people want others to stop posting on tibb or sumin

In response to her, I would always presume that hate preachers targetted a specific group and praised their own.. so under my definition, I dont think Hopkins suits. She hates so many people, including people she would probably consider part of her own ingroup. Farage is questionable though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs. It doesnt matter which paper picks them up to me. If shes got something interesting to say, her words should be shared. Its almost as if people want others to stop posting on tibb or sumin

In response to her, I would always presume that hate preachers targetted a specific group and praised their own.. so under my definition, I dont think Hopkins suits. She hates so many people, including people she would probably consider part of her own ingroup. Farage is questionable though.

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs.

let me guess why..because she says things you agree with?

unless you have another reason?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs.

let me guess why..because she says things you agree with?

unless you have another reason?

I dont always agree with her, there was a thread the other month that i cba to find which i disagreed at. I even stated in the post you quoted that i dont entirely agree with everything she has said here.. so your presumption is frankly bizarre. She just obviously has more moral integrity and intelligence than the average celeb / politician.. so why shouldnt we take her words just as seriously, if not more seriously?