[Tom4784]

It's a disgusting and corrupt thing that she's done. She has wasted £1bn that could have been spent elsewhere in order to stay in power.

I pity anyone that even tries to defend that.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a disgusting and corrupt thing that she's done. She has wasted £1bn that could have been spent elsewhere in order to stay in power.

I pity anyone that even tries to defend that.

Corbyn is the disgusting one, supporting terrorists who bombed the hell out of N.Ireland, wasting billions of taxpayers money on reconstruction and compensation for thousands of ruined businesses, homes and lives.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a disgusting and corrupt thing that she's done. She has wasted £1bn that could have been spent elsewhere in order to stay in power.

I pity anyone that even tries to defend that.

1bn is easily worth it to keep Corbyn away from power. Job done.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Corbyn is the disgusting one, supporting terrorists who bombed the hell out of N.Ireland, wasting billions of taxpayers money on reconstruction and compensation for thousands of ruined businesses, homes and lives.

It honestly causes me despair at how willing people are to **** themselves over because a newspaper told them they should hate Corbyn.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It honestly causes me despair at how willing people are to **** themselves over because a newspaper told them they should hate Corbyn.

Is that all you've got?
Those of us from N. Ireland knew of Corbyn and his IRA love - in way back in the 70's, before many here even heard of him.
I don't need a current newspaper to educate me.

[Smithy]

it definitely will not educate you

[reece(:]

A very divisive move for NI by May

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Is that all you've got?
Those of us from N. Ireland knew of Corbyn and his IRA love - in way back in the 70's, before many here even heard of him.
I don't need a current newspaper to educate me.

You seem to be okay with certain terrorists but not others. The DUP has actual links to terrorism yet you seem okay to brush that under the rug because you don't seem to care about what May or the DUP is doing as long as you get to hate on Corbyn.

A dangerous attitude, people voted for the Tories without understanding what it would mean to do so just out of hatred for Corbyn and they aren't paying attention to what May is doing because they're addicted to the 'I hate Jeremy Corbyn' haterade.

Theresa May used a £1bn bribe to solidify their power, a party that is likely going to divide N.I even more with it's newfound prominence but that's all fine because who cares about that when you can hate on Jeremy Corbyn? No need to worry about what's actually happening at all because hating Jeremy Corbyn is the only thing that matters.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Smithy

it definitely will not educate you

They got enough right about Corbyn. But of course if you don't like what you read then it can't be true, right? The deaf, dumb and blind following of the man is pretty horrifying really.

[smudgie]

The £billion is for infrastructure across the whole of NI.
That in itself should be pleasing to both sides and hopefully get them back around the table for the talks.

[reece(:]

Looks like the magic money tree came through for the Cons in the end!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You seem to be okay with certain terrorists but not others. The DUP has actual links to terrorism yet you seem okay to brush that under the rug because you don't seem to care about what May or the DUP is doing as long as you get to hate on Corbyn.

I answered this already on the previous page in reply to Kizzy:

I don't like them, but any support the DUP had for sectarianism (and it was tenuous to say the least) were in defence of a country being bombed to bits and their citizens killed and maimed by the IRA, several murderers of which organisation are still members of Sinn Fein. There are no murderers in the DUP and never have been. I suppose you think NI Unionists should just have sat back and let the IRA/Sinn Fein do their worst?
What sort of fairytale land does your mind live in?

Maybe if the IRA had murdered people you loved then you would hate the IRA supporter Corbyn too.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

I answered this already on the previous page in reply to Kizzy:



Maybe if the IRA had murdered people you loved then you would hate the IRA supporter Corbyn too.

So you're okay with certain kinds of terrorism but not others?

[joeysteele]

Both the DUP and Sinn Féinn are sectarian Parties.
They can support who they wish with elected MPs or support no one.
What no sectarian set of bigots should have is any influence over a national UK govt.
None whatsoever.

If they vote with the Cons in parliament when there,fair enough.
No deals,no bribes,no money however for said votes.

Sectarian bigots holding a govt to ransom,I'd rather another election than ever entertain any sectarian party.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So you're okay with certain kinds of terrorism but not others?

I am not okay with any kind of terrorism or murder. I was pointing out the reason why the DUP may have had tenuous links to paramilitaries in the past. The other side in any conflict is always going to bite back with some support, it happens the world over as you know very well, it's not right but its understandable. They have also condemned all terrorism many times over and the main party leaders have no links to or support any terrorist organisations whatsoever that I have ever heard of.
If there had been no IRA campaign there would have been no paramilitaries in the first place.
You don't appear to have any compassion for the destruction and pain the IRA caused to N.I citizens, myself included. All you seem to care about is defending Corbyn. Do you agree with his support of the IRA? I don't believe I have seen you condemn it, though I could be mistaken.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't like them, but any support the DUP had for sectarianism (and it was tenuous to say the least) were in defence of a country being bombed to bits and their citizens killed and maimed by the IRA, several murderers of which organisation are still members of Sinn Fein. There are no murderers in the DUP and never have been. I suppose you think NI Unionists should just have sat back and let the IRA/Sinn Fein do their worst?
What sort of fairytale land does your mind live in?

An objective one.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

An objective one.

Self praise isn't very objective.

[jaxie]

The fact that a deal has been so slow and what it does to May's credibiliy aside, I fail to understand why anyone would think an area of the UK that desperately needs more cash getting some is a dreadful thing. No matter how they got it. Good luck to them for squeezing a little extra cash for their country. I wouldn't call some much needed investment into any area of the UK that benefits all the citizens there a waste. No one bats an eye when Scotland demands.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by jet

I am not okay with any kind of terrorism or murder. I was pointing out the reason why the DUP may have had tenuous links to paramilitaries in the past. The other side in any conflict is always going to bite back with some support, it happens the world over as you know very well, it's not right but its understandable. They have also condemned all terrorism many times over and the main party leaders have no links to or support any terrorist organisations whatsoever that I have ever heard of.
If there had been no IRA campaign there would have been no paramilitaries in the first place.
You don't appear to have any compassion for the destruction and pain the IRA caused to N.I citizens, myself included. All you seem to care about is defending Corbyn. Do you agree with his support of the IRA? I don't believe I have seen you condemn it, though I could be mistaken.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So you're okay with certain kinds of terrorism but not others?

So you're okay with inferring people are terrorist sympathisers when it suits after throwing such allegations my way in other threads. Either blatant hypocrisy or you having no self-awareness whatsoever.

[MTVN]

Sinn Fein were the official political party of the IRA. The DUP are not and never have been the official political party of any loyalist paramilitary and the DUP today is a far different beast to the DUP in its early days under Ian Paisley. If they have some history with ex-loyalist terrorists that is because it is impossible to be involved in Northern Irish politics and be wholly cut off from the violence that existed there for years and years. This is a very good article on the issue:

Otherwise reputable Twitter accounts from serious journalists eagerly shared as fact pictures of UDA paramilitary murals that had been crudely photoshopped to include images of the DUP. Cartoons of Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, routinely depicted her as a grotesque vision of an Orangeman – in the case of the Times cartoonist, Peter Brookes, an Orangeman with heavy stubble: it was a 21st century take on those notorious 19th century Punch images of the cringing Catholic Irishman with a stovepipe hat and shillelagh, except this time the targets were Protestant and Unionist.

Foster’s meeting with the UDA leader Jackie McDonald was brandished by no less than the deputy editor of The Guardian as firm evidence that she is a terrorist sympathiser – despite the fact that McDonald, now a veteran alumnus of the peace process, is a friend of the former Irish president Mary McAleese, and was pictured warmly shaking hands with Jonathan Powell – Tony Blair’s former chief of staff – in 2015, when Powell flew over to set up the “Loyalist Communities Council” with the UVF and UDA.

The continuing inclusion of former paramilitaries – with their terrible pasts and often questionable present – at virtually all costs is the central tenet of the peace process. The DUP needs to be more robust in facing down the loyalist paramilitaries, particularly in South Belfast. But if the proximity of paramilitaries to government continues to make you uneasy, as it does me, there will be very little practical place for you in Northern Ireland politics as currently constructed.

Foster is, in fact, a member of the Church of Ireland who happily drinks alcohol and only joined the DUP in 2004. She spent the day before the election in Messines, Belgium with the outgoing Taoiseach Enda Kenny, commemorating a WWI battle in which unionist and Irish nationalist soldiers fought side by side. When necessary, she has attended local events alongside the Sinn Fein MLA Sean Lynch, a former close comrade of the late IRA man Seamus McElwain, whom Foster believes attempted to murder her policeman father and succeeded in wounding him. How many armchair pundits have had to negotiate such a complex past and present?

Full article: https://capx.co/criticism-of-the-dup...ght-hypocrisy/

[Alf]

Should have given May a majority, and this wouldn't be happening.

That's what was best for the country, going into the EU negotiations


But people voted tribally and not with their heads.



I'm not blaming anyone for how they voted, just giving you a reason for the current situation.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It honestly causes me despair at how willing people are to **** themselves over because a newspaper told them they should hate Corbyn.

lol thats the ONLY argument the left ever use....we bankrupted the country? no blame the daily mail...we invaded iraq illegally and killed a million innocents....? no blame the daily mail......we had the filthiest hospitals in europe? no blame the daily mail....we had record public debts over a trillion...no blame the daily mail....sold us out to europe ...blame the daily mail...deregulated the banks...blame the daily mail.....lol what a joke they are....hardly anyone even reads the daily mail lol...but most people who dont vote labour can do basic maths

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

Should have given May a majority, and this wouldn't be happening.

That's what was best for the country, going into the EU negotiations


But people voted tribally and not with their heads.



I'm not blaming anyone for how they voted, just giving you a reason for the current situation.

Tribally is a good description - that is exactly what happened.

[DemolitionRed]

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