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Discussions cause arguments, facts solve them and the facts here in evidence, are that both shows are dying on there feet so we must assume that those that run the show need replacing. The only support both shows are receiving comes from the forums who are, in the main, gay orientated, or at least the most verbal sections are gay.

Bots is a disgrace, but thats because of the poundland presenter Rylan, who does the show for far less money than a mainstream presenter would comand. The main show has so many lame or copied tasks that its a joke and they have absolutely no control over the show at all. They are way too PC and seem to think that the public need to be told what they should like.

I dont give a toss is they are gay, pink or aliens, the fact is that whoever is in control needs sacking and whoever comes in needs to listen to the everyday fans, but a good start would be to get rid of Rylan, he sets the tone and is a joke.