[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=the truth;9410191]Youve totally misunderstood it, probably deliberately. youve been on here hours debating but havent got 4 minutes to watch a clip? convenient especially as the clip doesnt back up your pro feminist agenda

the law says a all mothers gets a year to decide whether or not she will decide to keep her baby or to give it up for adoption. This means in the first year the mother is not legally or morally repsonsible for that new born baby and can simply hand it over to the state to look after then pick it back up a year later...No man on planet earth has this right[/QUOTE]

Do you watch jeremy kyle?.... lots of men walk away from their kids, at birth and at various other stages.

[Tom4784]

Not enough men come forward to warrant as many shelters as women and that's purely down to the prison that is masculinity and, regardless of Truth's attempts to find reasons to blame women for everything, it's a prison of men's own making. Not many men will admit to being abused because they see it as an attack on their masculinity and they think it makes them look weak and that they'll be ridiculed by others. If you want more men's shelters then you need to change the way men think so they'll be more likely to come forward and justify the need for more shelters.

[Kizzy]

There does need to be a 2/7 advice line and I would say that would be in the main more needed for the LBGQT community.

[the truth]

over 70% of the homeless are men. of course they need shelter. they're dying or killing themselves on the streets but their lives matter less because they are men

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

over 70% of the homeless are men. of course they need shelter. they're dying or killing themselves on the streets but their lives matter less because they are men

Homeless shelters and D shelters are totally different things though.

I do agree we need more homeless shelters in the first place and should be working to get rid of homelessness alltogether. Its a disgrace that so many are homeless in this country.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Homeless shelters and D shelters are totally different things though.

I do agree we need more homeless shelters in the first place and should be working to get rid of homelessness alltogether. Its a disgrace that so many are homeless in this country.

more shelters and refuges for the tens of thousands of men with no roof no home no hope and suicide as their only escape

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

more shelters and refuges for the tens of thousands of men with no roof no home no hope and suicide as their only escape

Take it to the government... the ones responsible for letting this happen.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

more shelters and refuges for the tens of thousands of men with no roof no home no hope and suicide as their only escape

More homeless shelters in general, but preferably less people ending up homeless in the first place. The amount of people on the street is increasing by the day and that is just completely ****ing wrong. Noone in a developed country like the UK should be living on the streets. Same with foodbanks and the likes tbh. I find it shocking that so many have to use them too.

And the answer to the amount of people on the streets? Putting ****ing spikes in places they could shelter to sleep. Great. Also fining people for being homeless...just a joke

Obviously some people are 'beyond help'...addicts and such who have been helped in the past and just continue to self destruct and end up back on the streets. But so many people who are homeless are just normal people who fell on hard times. Apparently a load of the country are 1 payday away from being homeless themselves

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Take it to the government... the ones responsible for letting this happen.

Im taking it to you too to shout for men who are the the vats majority of victims , 5 times the suicide rate of women, die 5 years younger , make up over 70% of the homeless and drug users and yet get less than 50 times less support...You are angry about the homeless Are you also angry about this lack of help for males in particular who are neglected infinitely more by the system than women?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes the shelter site is very misleading

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/abuse/Pag...ence-help.aspx




What on earth is with the attitude? 'you could have easily found it in seconds'. Its you that brought the clip up..not me

I can't actually watch them at the min either as I have no headphones and husbands watching TV but will watch them later on or in the morning

I don't quite understand what you are meaning by this?
Who is asking men to care about womens rights?

Your entire thread seems to be about women apparently not caring about mens rights?

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Also what you seem to be failing to address is that nearly all domestic violence is actually perpetrated by men too. I don't know where the 40% claim comes from either given police statistics say differently?

http://www.refuge.org.uk/about-domes...ce-and-gender/



Unless the 2009 study has been done over I guess...

The only thing I will say about that report is how many men have actually come forward about their abuse? As what has been rightfully pointed out is that men get mocked and ridiculed by their male friends (and sadly sometimes really trashy women) for not being "man enough" so that will distort the figures a little bit I think.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The only thing I will say about that report is how many men have actually come forward about their abuse? As what has been rightfully pointed out is that men get mocked and ridiculed by their male friends (and sadly sometimes really trashy women) for not being "man enough" so that will distort the figures a little bit I think.

Indeed.

My point earlier on was if men are ashamed to admit it, they do not ask for help, then the authorities or whoever do not know that more help is actually needed for men. Bit of a vicious circle tbh but if more DV refuges opened for men, and they did not get filled then they would just close. The demand has to be there.

I would probably estimate that taking multiple issues of violence towards the same person, its probably a near 50/50 split with male victims and female victims. This would include people in gay relationships too. Apparently 5% of domestic violence cases are perpetrated by females. So the huge majority are perpetrated by men..also I think its worth noting the seriousness of incidents which probably contributes to more help being available for women. 2 women per week are actually KILLED by their partners. Women often come off a lot worse with physical violence cases..most likely because of biology. Its not being sexist to point out that on average women are the weaker sex.

In short, yes, more help for men should be available. But more men need to actually ask for help too.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not enough men come forward to warrant as many shelters as women and that's purely down to the prison that is masculinity and, regardless of Truth's attempts to find reasons to blame women for everything, it's a prison of men's own making. Not many men will admit to being abused because they see it as an attack on their masculinity and they think it makes them look weak and that they'll be ridiculed by others. If you want more men's shelters then you need to change the way men think so they'll be more likely to come forward and justify the need for more shelters.

I'd say you need to change the way people think, the outdated attitudes about male abuse are held by both men and women. I agree that what you say definitely applies to some, but I don't think the whole "self made prison of masculinity" applies in all cases. Some of them won't be speaking out for the very same reason some female victims don't, fear of their abuser and others won't because of the ideas other people (both male and female) put out there about how ridiculous the idea of male domestic abuse is.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

Im taking it to you too to shout for men who are the the vats majority of victims , 5 times the suicide rate of women, die 5 years younger , make up over 70% of the homeless and drug users and yet get less than 50 times less support...You are angry about the homeless Are you also angry about this lack of help for males in particular who are neglected infinitely more by the system than women?

I've made myself pretty clear in past posts, so I'm surprised you have to ask me that. I have three sons and if anyone ever tells them to "man up" I'll personally have their hide. I'm a feminist. I believe in equal rights for men and women alike. I will fight the corner of any man who suffers because he is male and I'll do the same for a female.

Men should not be sleeping on the street in such numbers.
Men are abused by their partners, especially blackmail over the children.
Men are expected to "man up" when all around them is falling apart.
Men are far more likely to lose custody of their children than women.
Men are far more likely to lose their family home during a marital split.

Women are less likely to get the jobs they really want as they grow older.
Women will find aging far harder than men because youth = beauty.
Women don't have the same physical strength as men which is a hindrance.
Women are more likely to die from a heart attack than men.
Women are often expected to be the second earner.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I've made myself pretty clear in past posts, so I'm surprised you have to ask me that. I have three sons and if anyone ever tells them to "man up" I'll personally have their hide. I'm a feminist. I believe in equal rights for men and women alike. I will fight the corner of any man who suffers because he is male and I'll do the same for a female.

Men should not be sleeping on the street in such numbers.
Men are abused by their partners, especially blackmail over the children.
Men are expected to "man up" when all around them is falling apart.
Men are far more likely to lose custody of their children than women.
Men are far more likely to lose their family home during a marital split.

Women are less likely to get the jobs they really want as they grow older.
Women will find aging far harder than men because youth = beauty.
Women don't have the same physical strength as men which is a hindrance.
Women are more likely to die from a heart attack than men.
Women are often expected to be the second earner.

yet women get 50 times as much support as men?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

yet women get 50 times as much support as men?

You mean women get 50percent more support than men in specific areas?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I'd say you need to change the way people think, the outdated attitudes about male abuse are held by both men and women. I agree that what you say definitely applies to some, but I don't think the whole "self made prison of masculinity" applies in all cases. Some of them won't be speaking out for the very same reason some female victims don't, fear of their abuser and others won't because of the ideas other people (both male and female) put out there about how ridiculous the idea of male domestic abuse is.

It's not a blanket statement and yes, some women do spread the stereotype but the fact that male domestic abuse goes unreported mostly a problem created by men's attitudes to masculinity, the idea that they are somehow less 'manly' if they suffer abuse is the driving force behind the silence. I do agree that attitudes need changing but the attitudes of men need to change first and everything else will follow on from that.

[Tom4784]

We definitely do need more homeless shelters but that has nothing to do with male domestic shelters and, if you insist on changing the goalposts, there are no reason to specify only men in issues of homelessness as it's an issue that affects both genders. The reason for separate Domestic abuse shelters for men and women are obvious but that's not the case for homeless shelters.

Truth, if you honestly care about the homeless then you'd want more homeless shelters in general, not more shelters just for men.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

Yea thats right, ignore the issue at hand, attack the poster and play to the gallery and bring some good old fashioned group bullying into it..well done pal

My comment was just that b. There's no group right behind me but they're obviously all thinking the same thing.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

My comment was just that b. There's no group right behind me but they're obviously all thinking the same thing.

hiding behind each other makes you invisible