[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Jet your position seems to be arguing that bribery is OK so long as the bribe money is then "spent on good things". At some point you're going to have to accept that not everyone feels that way. A bribe / extortion is immoral in politics no matter what it's spent on, in the opinion of many, so constantly arguing that it's all good because it will be spent in good ways for NI is going to prove fruitless for you. It isn't that people aren't hearing you or that they don't understand that. It's that it's irrelevant. Whether they spend it on mustard gas or a cancer cure for kittens, is totally besides the point when it comes to discussing the morality of bribery in the first place, or whether a government spending money on bribes is justifiable.

You talk of bribery - the cost of Bribery for Corbyn's young voters is more than 100bn. It stinks.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You talk of bribery - the cost of Bribery for Corbyn's young voters is more than 100bn. It stinks.

But it's harmless ole Corbyn doing the bribing, so it's OK. Get with the programme Brillo.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jet

But it's harmless ole Corbyn doing the bribing, so it's OK. Get with the programme Brillo.

Yep, one rule for one and all that. That 100bn is pure bribery - anyone that tries to convince otherwise is being disingenuous or a fool.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Yep, one rule for one and all that. That 100bn is pure bribery - anyone that tries to convince otherwise is being disingenuous or a fool.

It's no more bribery than any other party manifesto promise. All parties make those. All parties try to appeal to certain people. Is it bribery? If you want to be pedantic, I suppose it is, but no more than tax cuts / concessions offered to any other section of society by any other party in a manifesto. Any manifesto is a document full of bribes and treats designed to entice voters, most of which will never happen. To suggest that only Corbyn / Labour have made election promises is ludicrous.

It is not the same as exchanges of money between political parties to secure votes in parliament. I'm convinced that no one really believes that its the same.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's no more bribery than any other party manifesto promise. All parties make those. All parties try to appeal to certain people. Is it bribery? If you want to be pedantic, I suppose it is, but no more than tax cuts / concessions offered to any other section of society by any other party in a manifesto. Any manifesto is a document full of bribes and treats designed to entice voters, most of which will never happen. To suggest that only Corbyn / Labour have made election promises is ludicrous.

It is not the same as exchanges of money between political parties to secure votes in parliament. I'm convinced that no one really believes that its the same.

DUC and Sinn Fein are political parties are they not. If there is nothing in the rules that says they cannot form an alliance with a government then to keep bleating on about any of them doing so is just tactics. Take it up with the political rule-makers. I have no doubt in my mind if JC had been in the position of having to form an alliance with Sinn Fein he would have. Other Labour leaders have done so with the DUC.

As for the 'bribe' - the DUC are supporting and working with Government - it is an alliance - therefore they are entitled to some kind of consideration when money is allocated.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

DUC and Sinn Fein are political parties are they not. If there is nothing in the rules that says they cannot form an alliance with a government then to keep bleating on about any of them doing so is just tactics. Take it up with the political rule-makers. I have no doubt in my mind if JC had been in the position of having to form an alliance with Sinn Fein he would have. Other Labour leaders have done so with the DUC.

As for the 'bribe' - the DUC are supporting and working with Government - it is an alliance - therefore they are entitled to some kind of consideration when money is allocated.

That isn't what happened. They wouldn't work with the government until the government agreed to the extra money. That is a bribe. They were PAID OFF to form an alliance as they were deliberately holding out. Stop pretending otherwise.

Also stop calling them the DUC it makes me giggle. Quack.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

DUC and Sinn Fein are political parties are they not. If there is nothing in the rules that says they cannot form an alliance with a government then to keep bleating on about any of them doing so is just tactics. Take it up with the political rule-makers. I have no doubt in my mind if JC had been in the position of having to form an alliance with Sinn Fein he would have. Other Labour leaders have done so with the DUC.

As for the 'bribe' - the DUC are supporting and working with Government - it is an alliance - therefore they are entitled to some kind of consideration when money is allocated.

Who?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who?

Well Sinn Féinn don't even take their Westminster seats so no deals would or could be done with them.
There shouldn't be either.
Equally the DUP should not be in any national UK govt deal either.

They were sounded out by Gordon Brown as to how strong any opposition to Labour they had in 2010.
Their 8 MPs then hardly any relevance to either major party at that time.

This moaning at Sinn Féinn is pointless, they were and are a vital element to the peace process in N Ireland and if they were not part of it,the peace process could not likely even exist.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who?