[JTM45]

Originally Posted by the truth

theyre the titanic and they hit the iceberg and due to the same sheer arrogance, corruption and complacency they will end up at the bottom of the ocean too. You can count on it.

Sounds like Theresa May's Tory 'Government' you're talking about here.

You're confusing 'Patriotism' with 'Nationalism', two very different things!
Nationalism is the blind flag-waving where people are willing to cut their nose off to spite their face with very little concern about the overall financial or social state of our country while true Patriots want what's best for our Country and those who live in it, regardless of ethnicity or political leaning.

Brexit was hijacked very early on by thinly veiled Nationalist xenophobes who put their personal agenda before what is really best in the long term for Britain and its citizens. Highly un-Patriotic.

The backbone of Brexit is and always has been badly informed and willfully ignorant people who whipped up insecurities, fears and phobias and spread mis-information to serve their selfish personal agenda.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Sounds like Theresa May's Tory 'Government' you're talking about here.

You're confusing 'Patriotism' with 'Nationalism', two very different things!
Nationalism is the blind flag-waving where people are willing to cut their nose off to spite their face with very little concern about the overall financial or social state of our country while true Patriots want what's best for our Country and those who live in it, regardless of ethnicity or political leaning.

Brexit was hijacked very early on by thinly veiled Nationalist xenophobes who put their personal agenda before what is really best in the long term for Britain and its citizens. Highly un-Patriotic.

The backbone of Brexit is and always has been badly informed and willfully ignorant people who whipped up insecurities, fears and phobias and spread mis-information to serve their selfish personal agenda.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Sounds like Theresa May's Tory 'Government' you're talking about here.

You're confusing 'Patriotism' with 'Nationalism', two very different things!
Nationalism is the blind flag-waving where people are willing to cut their nose off to spite their face with very little concern about the overall financial or social state of our country while true Patriots want what's best for our Country and those who live in it, regardless of ethnicity or political leaning.

Brexit was hijacked very early on by thinly veiled Nationalist xenophobes who put their personal agenda before what is really best in the long term for Britain and its citizens. Highly un-Patriotic.

The backbone of Brexit is and always has been badly informed and willfully ignorant people who whipped up insecurities, fears and phobias and spread mis-information to serve their selfish personal agenda.

'The backbone of Brexit is/has been badly informed because you say so - yep right!

Many labour politicians care little about things like social issues, ethnicity and diversity and what is best for the country and more about creating a nation of future Labour voters hence their keenness to let in hundreds of thousands of those future voters with little thought for the long-term effects on the country. It's all a manipulative pretence in the name of a power grab and political control to serve their selfish personal/political agendas.

High horses are all well and good but do absolutely nothing to make the product of their highly active imagination real.

[Tom4784]

JTM hit the nail on the head plus too many people see patriotism as basically being 'Agree to everything I say or you're a TRAITOR!!!!' If that's the choice then I'd rather think for myself then be blinded by a dangerous oppressive attitude .

Originally Posted by Brillopad

'The backbone of Brexit is/has been badly informed because you say so - yep right!

Many labour politicians care little about things like social issues, ethnicity and diversity and what is best for the country and more about creating a nation of future Labour voters hence their keenness to let in hundreds of thousands of those future voters with little thought for the long-term effects on the country. It's all a manipulative pretence in the name of a power grab and political control to serve their selfish personal/political agendas.

High horses are all well and good but do absolutely nothing to make the product of their highly active imagination real.

Proof that what JTM said is true.

You can't argue against him so you're diverting attention to Labour when they won't really get a say in how Brexit is handled. How long will you continue to blame Labour for the Tories' **** ups? You're so desperate to pin everything on Jeremy Corbyn then you don't realise that the Tories are guilty of everything you accuse Labour of and I think you know that's the case.

Some people will believe the lie even if they know it's a lie and that's just sad.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

JTM hit the nail on the head plus too many people see patriotism as basically being 'Agree to everything I say or you're a TRAITOR!!!!' If that's the choice then I'd rather think for myself then be blinded by a dangerous oppressive attitude .



Proof that what JTM said is true.

You can't argue against him so you're diverting attention to Labour when they won't really get a say in how Brexit is handled. How long will you continue to blame Labour for the Tories' **** ups? You're so desperate to pin everything on Jeremy Corbyn then you don't realise that the Tories are guilty of everything you accuse Labour of and I think you know that's the case.

Some people will believe the lie even if they know it's a lie and that's just sad.

You set the bar for truth very low. Clutching at straws more like.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You set the bar for truth very low. Clutching at straws more like.

More diversion, more avoidance.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Sounds like Theresa May's Tory 'Government' you're talking about here.

You're confusing 'Patriotism' with 'Nationalism', two very different things!
Nationalism is the blind flag-waving where people are willing to cut their nose off to spite their face with very little concern about the overall financial or social state of our country while true Patriots want what's best for our Country and those who live in it, regardless of ethnicity or political leaning.

Brexit was hijacked very early on by thinly veiled Nationalist xenophobes who put their personal agenda before what is really best in the long term for Britain and its citizens. Highly un-Patriotic.

The backbone of Brexit is and always has been badly informed and willfully ignorant people who whipped up insecurities, fears and phobias and spread mis-information to serve their selfish personal agenda.

possibly the most ignorant ill informed post ever made on this site
yes all 18 million were badly informed ignoramuses lol

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by the truth

possibly the most ignorant ill informed post ever made on this site
yes all 18 million were badly informed ignoramuses lol

Says the person who said only yesterday that ''democracy'' means you have the right to have help from anyone in any country (whether they're classed as an enemy of your country or not) to win an election.

I can't even come close to this level ignorance.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Says the person who said only yesterday that ''democracy'' means you have the right to have help from anyone in any country (whether they're classed as an enemy of your country or not) to win an election.

I can't even come close to this level ignorance.

against someone as corrupt as warmonger killary you have to fight fire with fire...bernie sanders didnt and sadly he was destroyed

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by the truth

against someone as corrupt as warmonger killary you have to fight fire with fire...bernie sanders didnt and sadly he was destroyed

Ahhh..........that old cry of the clueless ''But, but Hillary''. She is not in power and has nothing to do with current politics.
But i suppose when you have nothing else, and you don't even understand what 'democracy' is (CLUE; it's NOT meeting with Russians on behalf of a hostile Goverment to get dirt on your opponents. That's being a treasonous law breaking traitor!) then all you can do is clutch at straws and repeat lies and debunked 'facts'. Sad.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Ahhh..........that old cry of the clueless ''But, but Hillary''. She is not in power and has nothing to do with current politics.
But i suppose when you have nothing else, and you don't even understand what 'democracy' is (CLUE; it's NOT meeting with Russians on behalf of a hostile Goverment to get dirt on your opponents. That's being a treasonous law breaking traitor!) then all you can do is clutch at straws and repeat lies and debunked 'facts'. Sad.

Ahh more fake news from the bitter left.....killary leaking 33000 classified emails is ok with you as is her attempt to detroy evidence of supplying so called rebels who turned out to be ISIS amongst many other horros. Strange how you put no effort into that or any other horrors of the recent past from your left wing comrades.....lets blame the iraq 1 million dead on new labour not actual labour, many of whom are still there like nice guy andy burnham. ok Im waiting for the classic left play dumb, but what has that waste of tax payers money and lies got to do with the issue of open borders , terrorism, public sector spending etc well duh..its all from the same pot and its all inter connected. one action gets a chain reaction and so on..... over a billion has now been wasted on the trump russia nonsense...and after all that all theyve got his trump junior spoke to some russian in a vage chat about possible dirt she may have on killary...lol....Time for the left to lick their wounds accept killary and the feminazis lost in a democracy and show some actual support for the american government and follow some real news

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Sounds like Theresa May's Tory 'Government' you're talking about here.

You're confusing 'Patriotism' with 'Nationalism', two very different things!
Nationalism is the blind flag-waving where people are willing to cut their nose off to spite their face with very little concern about the overall financial or social state of our country while true Patriots want what's best for our Country and those who live in it, regardless of ethnicity or political leaning.

Brexit was hijacked very early on by thinly veiled Nationalist xenophobes who put their personal agenda before what is really best in the long term for Britain and its citizens. Highly un-Patriotic.

The backbone of Brexit is and always has been badly informed and willfully ignorant people who whipped up insecurities, fears and phobias and spread mis-information to serve their selfish personal agenda.

I think what you're saying is one of the reasons why people voted for Brexit.

I also do think that the Media not printing the pro's of why we should Remain in the EU was another big issue. And another reason was people thinking that Muslims would stop coming to the country (which was a real fact as I've heard people say it) and alot of it is all hokum.