[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

opinion piece
noun
an article in which the writer expresses their personal opinion, typically one which is controversial or provocative, about a particular issue or item of news.
"an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal predicted the closing of practices to new patients"

Did you even read the piece? She refers to others opinions (and a report) as well. But of course, none of those opinions have any merit as they don't coincide with your own.
You rarely intelligently discuss/debate any article that differs to your own views, you just automatically dismiss it.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jet

Did you even read the piece? She refers to others opinions (and a report) as well. But of course, none of those opinions have any merit as they don't coincide with your own.
You rarely intelligently discuss/debate any article that differs to your own views, you just automatically dismiss it.

Do you consider it a good, well-balanced article?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Do you consider it a good, well-balanced article?

You could say that about most articles on here whatever side of the debate/argument they fall. So pretty pointless comment really. You can't demand they are well-balanced from one side when they are not from the other.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Did you even read the piece? She refers to others opinions (and a report) as well. But of course, none of those opinions have any merit as they don't coincide with your own.
You rarely intelligently discuss/debate any article that differs to your own views, you just automatically dismiss it.

I did and I deemed it to be nothing more than someone who was used to having a majority opinion not being able to handle being part of a minority. The 'study' is dubious at best too given that Dr. Steve Davies is a conservative supporter, asking him to come up with balanced study on the left wing is foolishness since, due to his political allegiances, he cannot be trusted to be unbiased when it comes to any kind of study regarding people in opposition to his views.

Here's a tip Jet, just because someone quotes a study doesn't make what they are saying more viable or factual especially when the studies they are quoting are fatally flawed from the outset. Perhaps you shouldn't take things at face value like you have here? Perhaps, like me, you should take a little time to look into sources and studies to asxertain whether they are trustworthy or not.

As for your insults, they are hypocritical and therefore meaningless and that's all to be said in that, perhaps try to stick to the topic at hand instead of trying to bait people into insulting you back? Just a thought.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I did and I deemed it to be nothing more than someone who was used to having a majority opinion not being able to handle being part of a minority. The 'study' is dubious at best too given that Dr. Steve Davies is a conservative supporter, asking him to come up with balanced study on the left wing is foolishness since, due to his political allegiances, he cannot be trusted to be unbiased when it comes to any kind of study regarding people in opposition to his views.

Here's a tip Jet, just because someone quotes a study doesn't make what they are saying more viable or factual especially when the studies they are quoting are fatally flawed from the outset. Perhaps you shouldn't take things at face value like you have here? Perhaps, like me, you should take a little time to look into sources and studies to asxertain whether they are trustworthy or not.

As for your insults, they are hypocritical and therefore meaningless and that's all to be said in that, perhaps try to stick to the topic at hand instead of trying to bait people into insulting you back? Just a thought.

Don't worry, I take little at face value. I'm just open minded and don't dismiss everything I read as worthless nonsense because I don't like what they saying and without researching it further, which I have seen you do time after time.
There is the ring of truth to this article as the intimidation by the hard left has been in the news a lot recently.

Perhaps you don't believe that MP Luciana Berger was told she would be axed if she didn't apologise for criticising Corbyn in the past and was bombarded with anti - Semitic abuse.
Perhaps you don't believe the reports by Tory MP's of sinister intimidation, like someone urinating on the office doorway of Sheryll Murray and swastikas being painted onto her election posters. Or Sarah Wollaston, whose premises was painted with graffiti by a masked man.
Or Karl McCartney, who had every poster he put up ripped down and had to have panic buttons installed in his home and eventually was forced to leave it.
Zac Goldsmith and Mims Davies are just another 2 of the many who have reported abuse.

Theresa May spoke out on Friday past about stamping out the widespread harassment and intimidation of Tory MP's and the failure of Facebook to remove thousands of abusive comments directed at them.
Unrest, harassment and intimidation are the hard lefts way of seizing power, it seems. So that piece about students feeling frightened and intimidated doesn't seem hard to believe at all. Maybe you should have done some research before dismissing the opinions in the article as having no merit whatsoever.
Has 'kinder, softer politics' Corbyn distanced himself from all this? - not at all...

....and here's a tip...don't bait and you probably won't be baited.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jet

Don't worry, I take little at face value. I'm just open minded and don't dismiss everything I read as worthless nonsense because I don't like what they saying and without researching it further, which I have seen you do time after time.
There is the ring of truth to this article as the intimidation by the hard left has been in the news a lot recently.

Perhaps you don't believe that MP Luciana Berger was told she would be axed if she didn't apologise for criticising Corbyn in the past and was bombarded with anti - Semitic abuse.
Perhaps you don't believe the reports by Tory MP's of sinister intimidation, like someone urinating on the office doorway of Sheryll Murray and swastikas being painted onto her election posters. Or Sarah Wollaston, whose premises was painted with graffiti by a masked man.
Or Karl McCartney, who had every poster he put up ripped down and had to have panic buttons installed in his home and eventually was forced to leave it.
Zac Goldsmith and Mims Davies are just another 2 of the many who have reported abuse.

Theresa May spoke out on Friday past about stamping out the widespread harassment and intimidation of Tory MP's and the failure of Facebook to remove thousands of abusive comments directed at them.
Unrest, harassment and intimidation are the hard lefts way of seizing power, it seems. So that piece about students feeling frightened and intimidated doesn't seem hard to believe at all. Maybe you should have done some research before dismissing the opinions in the article as having no merit whatsoever.
Has 'kinder, softer politics' Corbyn distanced himself from all this? - not at all...

....and here's a tip...don't bait and you probably won't be baited.

Excellent post Jet and well expressed. There is no denying the increasing extremism of the hard left including aggression and intimidation tactics.

It goes against everything the left are supposed to represent. But the say one thing do another mentality seems to have taken over.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

Theresa May spoke out on Friday past about stamping out the widespread harassment and intimidation of Tory MP's and the failure of Facebook to remove thousands of abusive comments directed at them.

The hatred is growing, that article is right about that. Take a look at the income gap and see just how few control so much and the effect of that on our society. Things tend to go round in cycles and we are at a fairly low point there.

There comes a point when targeting the poor, the disabled etc. becomes way too much for anyone who prioritizes their politics on human decency. Sick, poor, disabled, mentally unwell people have taken the brunt of the austerity hammer, and thousands have died as a result of it. For the first time in recorded history, increasing longlivity has come to a halt in this country.

Lets remember the origins of the Tories and what they actually stand for. Tory party is the conservative and unionist party. Conservation of capital in a capitalist regime. Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production and distribution for the purposes of making profit for the owners. Therefore, the Conservative party can not and never be a ‘deliberative democracy’ because its an inacessible company where we don't get to sit at the negotiating table.

Of course May and all those political elites who can no longer justify their privileges to the masses, want to try and stop the hatred. Unrest is growing by the day. The Tories spent too long living in their glass houses and being inaccessible or impotent to their nation. This past election must of been an alarming wake up call and I think they've now got the message that its only just beginning.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The hatred is growing, that article is right about that. Take a look at the income gap and see just how few control so much and the effect of that on our society. Things tend to go round in cycles and we are at a fairly low point there.

There comes a point when targeting the poor, the disabled etc. becomes way too much for anyone who prioritizes their politics on human decency. Sick, poor, disabled, mentally unwell people have taken the brunt of the austerity hammer, and thousands have died as a result of it. For the first time in recorded history, increasing longlivity has come to a halt in this country.

Lets remember the origins of the Tories and what they actually stand for. Tory party is the conservative and unionist party. Conservation of capital in a capitalist regime. Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production and distribution for the purposes of making profit for the owners. Therefore, the Conservative party can not and never be a ‘deliberative democracy’ because its an inacessible company where we don't get to sit at the negotiating table.

Of course May and all those political elites who can no longer justify their privileges to the masses, want to try and stop the hatred. Unrest is growing by the day. The Tories spent too long living in their glass houses and being inaccessible or impotent to their nation. This past election must of been an alarming wake up call and I think they've now got the message that its only just beginning.

There are advantages and disadvantages that comes with either Tory or Labour being in power. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses when it comes to policies, but when will people realise that neither of them will ever fix anything long term. The world and all it's complexities changes too rapidly.
Like all governments they'll inherit problems and like all governments they'll leave their own mess for the next lot. Labour usually just happen to leave a worse mess.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

There are advantages and disadvantages that comes with either Tory or Labour being in power. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses when it comes to policies, but when will people realise that neither of them will ever fix anything long term. The world and all it's complexities changes too rapidly.
Like all governments they'll inherit problems and like all governments they'll leave their own mess for the next lot. Labour usually just happen to leave a worse mess.

I agree. Nobody (party) can please everybody all of the time; there's no getting round that. I'm not sure I understand the choice of your word, 'usually' ? Do you mean the Wilson government? The war time Coalition? MacDonald? Attlee? Callaghan? Blair? Brown?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I agree. Nobody (party) can please everybody all of the time; there's no getting round that. I'm not sure I understand the choice of your word, 'usually' ? Do you mean the Wilson government? The war time Coalition? MacDonald? Attlee? Callaghan? Blair? Brown?

most them for sure..possibly exception for atlee. But the question is why you condone their endless mass failure?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Don't worry, I take little at face value. I'm just open minded and don't dismiss everything I read as worthless nonsense because I don't like what they saying and without researching it further, which I have seen you do time after time.
There is the ring of truth to this article as the intimidation by the hard left has been in the news a lot recently.

Perhaps you don't believe that MP Luciana Berger was told she would be axed if she didn't apologise for criticising Corbyn in the past and was bombarded with anti - Semitic abuse.
Perhaps you don't believe the reports by Tory MP's of sinister intimidation, like someone urinating on the office doorway of Sheryll Murray and swastikas being painted onto her election posters. Or Sarah Wollaston, whose premises was painted with graffiti by a masked man.
Or Karl McCartney, who had every poster he put up ripped down and had to have panic buttons installed in his home and eventually was forced to leave it.
Zac Goldsmith and Mims Davies are just another 2 of the many who have reported abuse.

Theresa May spoke out on Friday past about stamping out the widespread harassment and intimidation of Tory MP's and the failure of Facebook to remove thousands of abusive comments directed at them.
Unrest, harassment and intimidation are the hard lefts way of seizing power, it seems. So that piece about students feeling frightened and intimidated doesn't seem hard to believe at all. Maybe you should have done some research before dismissing the opinions in the article as having no merit whatsoever.
Has 'kinder, softer politics' Corbyn distanced himself from all this? - not at all...

....and here's a tip...don't bait and you probably won't be baited.

I thought we were talking about students? Oh wait no, this is just another case of responding to a valid argument by bringing up non-related 'incidents' involving labour to hide the fact you can't argue against what I've said. This whole attitude of responding to a topic with an unrelated attack on Corbyn and/or Labour etc is really ****ing boring.

I struggle to have sympathy for the likes of Zac Goldman who ran his mayoral campaign on racism and bigotry. You can't spread around hate like that and get upset when it comes back to bite you in the arse. I have more sympathy for the heightened abuse Sadiq Khan likely faced as a result of Goldsmith's attempts to smear him as a terrorist purely because he's a muslim.

If you want to talk about intimidation though feel free to start a new thread, I have a lot to say about it but when it comes to this opinion piece, it's flawed for reasons I've already stated and you've not provided good enough reasons to make me consider otherwise.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I thought we were talking about students? Oh wait no, this is just another case of responding to a valid argument by bringing up non-related 'incidents' involving labour to hide the fact you can't argue against what I've said. This whole attitude of responding to a topic with an unrelated attack on Corbyn and/or Labour etc is really ****ing boring.

I struggle to have sympathy for the likes of Zac Goldman who ran his mayoral campaign on racism and bigotry. You can't spread around hate like that and get upset when it comes back to bite you in the arse. I have more sympathy for the heightened abuse Sadiq Khan likely faced as a result of Goldsmith's attempts to smear him as a terrorist purely because he's a muslim.

If you want to talk about intimidation though feel free to start a new thread, I have a lot to say about it but when it comes to this opinion piece, it's flawed for reasons I've already stated and you've not provided good enough reasons to make me consider otherwise.

Students feeling frightened and intimidated by the hard left; MP's intimidated and harassed by the hard left - how are they unrelated?
I was pointing out that the opinions in the article could not be disregarded as the intimidation mentioned in it is widespread by the hard left.
But once again my response wasn't to your liking (and not in the way you portray) so you just ignore and twist so you don't have to address facts like why has Corbyn not condemned these thugs loudly and clearly, in public.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Students feeling frightened and intimidated by the hard left; MP's intimidated and harassed by the hard left - how are they unrelated?
I was pointing out that the opinions in the article could not be disregarded as the intimidation mentioned in it is widespread by the hard left.
But once again my response wasn't to your liking (and not in the way you portray) so you just ignore and twist so you don't have to address facts like why has Corbyn not condemned these thugs loudly and clearly, in public.

Notice that it's only the right wing complaining? If things within student communities are as bad as the writer makes out then where's the commentary from the centre? Surely they'd have as much reason to complain if Left Wing bias was as bad as it's made out to be? What of people of other political persuasions? Where are their views on the matter?

It's telling that it's the former majority seems to be the one group complaining and not the rest.

Again, nothing you have said has been substantial enough to change my opinion. If you got nothing new to add then I'm done. I can't be bothered with this **** today.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Notice that it's only the right wing complaining? If things within student communities are as bad as the writer makes out then where's the commentary from the centre? Surely they'd have as much reason to complain if Left Wing bias was as bad as it's made out to be? What of people of other political persuasions? Where are their views on the matter?

It's telling that it's the former majority seems to be the one group complaining and not the rest.

Again, nothing you have said has been substantial enough to change my opinion. If you got nothing new to add then I'm done. I can't be bothered with this **** today.

It isn't **** he makes a valid point.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Notice that it's only the right wing complaining? If things within student communities are as bad as the writer makes out then where's the commentary from the centre? Surely they'd have as much reason to complain if Left Wing bias was as bad as it's made out to be? What of people of other political persuasions? Where are their views on the matter?

It's telling that it's the former majority seems to be the one group complaining and not the rest.

Again, nothing you have said has been substantial enough to change my opinion. If you got nothing new to add then I'm done. I can't be bothered with this **** today.

More lies from you
Im not right and have never voted tory so again you are plain wrong
|The left are a disaster in particular because their party is so dishonest and because they destroy the economy and are in the pockets of bully boy/girl trade unions and they love to march in violent angry mobs. Anyone within their camp who dare question this or complain is blackballed and ostracised and bullied...even over 50% of doctors in hospitals felt bullied and intimidated into not complaining under labours disastrous 1997-2010 regime

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Notice that it's only the right wing complaining? If things within student communities are as bad as the writer makes out then where's the commentary from the centre? Surely they'd have as much reason to complain if Left Wing bias was as bad as it's made out to be? What of people of other political persuasions? Where are their views on the matter?

It's telling that it's the former majority seems to be the one group complaining and not the rest.

Again, nothing you have said has been substantial enough to change my opinion. If you got nothing new to add then I'm done. I can't be bothered with this **** today.

I wasn't trying to change your opinion actually, but I doubt that would even be possible given that you even failed to condemn in any way the intimidation of elected MP's which I gave examples of, and for failing to condemn Corbyn for not outright disowning and distancing himself from his thuggish followers for their bully boy tactics in his name.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Notice that it's only the right wing complaining? If things within student communities are as bad as the writer makes out then where's the commentary from the centre? Surely they'd have as much reason to complain if Left Wing bias was as bad as it's made out to be? What of people of other political persuasions? Where are their views on the matter?

There is from staff and students at some universities.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...-survey-finds/

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I did and I deemed it to be nothing more than someone who was used to having a majority opinion not being able to handle being part of a minority. The 'study' is dubious at best too given that Dr. Steve Davies is a conservative supporter, asking him to come up with balanced study on the left wing is foolishness since, due to his political allegiances, he cannot be trusted to be unbiased when it comes to any kind of study regarding people in opposition to his views.

Here's a tip Jet, just because someone quotes a study doesn't make what they are saying more viable or factual especially when the studies they are quoting are fatally flawed from the outset. Perhaps you shouldn't take things at face value like you have here? Perhaps, like me, you should take a little time to look into sources and studies to asxertain whether they are trustworthy or not.

As for your insults, they are hypocritical and therefore meaningless and that's all to be said in that, perhaps try to stick to the topic at hand instead of trying to bait people into insulting you back? Just a thought.

Ace post.

I have just really ignored this thread as it is going to head down the road of ant Corbyn as to anything and everything.

Little as to open mindedness and more to do with frustration of having to watch a tide turn as to the writer of the article,of their views losing ground strongly on the political stage.

However your contributions are worth more Reading than the article itself, 'in my opinion'.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Ace post.

I have just really ignored this thread as it is going to head down the road of ant Corbyn as to anything and everything.

Little as to open mindedness and more to do with frustration of having to watch a tide turn as to the writer of the article,of their views losing ground strongly on the political stage.

However your contributions are worth more Reading than the article itself, 'in my opinion'.

I seem to remember you were quite a regular contributor to all the anti-May threads. Surely you don't support unbalanced debate! The words goose and gander come to mind.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Ace post.

I have just really ignored this thread as it is going to head down the road of ant Corbyn as to anything and everything.

Little as to open mindedness and more to do with frustration of having to watch a tide turn as to the writer of the article,of their views losing ground strongly on the political stage.

However your contributions are worth more Reading than the article itself, 'in my opinion'.

So, like Dezzy, you are either ill - informed or refuse to admit to hard left intimidation and harassment. Otherwise you would have admitted that the opinions in the article could very well have validity. That you too dismissed it would have surprised me in the past but not any more, sadly.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

So, like Dezzy, you are either ill - informed or refuse to admit to hard left intimidation and harassment. Otherwise you would have admitted that the opinions in the article could very well have validity. That you too dismissed it would have surprised me in the past but not any more, sadly.

Er, excuse me, when I switched my support from Con Lib to Labour.
Some of the abuse I got from the so called right was shocking.

I got it even more during canvassing the 2015 election and the EU referendum,even on here at times.

I am aware of tension as to both sides, however the article does not, for me,my opinion,just as it's in the writers, reflect a fairly balanced view at all.

For me it is an article to just try to open doors to group one set of political leaning together as negative only and invite more of the prejudiced anti Corbyn bile being heard.
More likely out of sheer frustration that Corbyn's Labour has not turned out to be,the laughing stock it was believed to be,by this PM downwards through all society too.

I think the article just helps blow out of all proportion the issue any intimidation should be,in a very unhelpful manner too.
Adding fuel to whatever fire is there, not helping damp things down.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jet

Did you even read the piece? She refers to others opinions (and a report) as well. But of course, none of those opinions have any merit as they don't coincide with your own.
You rarely intelligently discuss/debate any article that differs to your own views, you just automatically dismiss it.

Nail on the head Jet. Usually dismissed with considerable hostility.