[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JTM45

This used to be a great place for discussion but now it's just somewhere you have to bite your tongue while a few (very few) poorly informed, narrow-minded people shout their bitter propaganda.........again and again and again.

Spot on again.

However I stress again how can this be a u-turn, when those anti Labour across the board,have criticised Labour for never spelling out brexit plans or policy.

Then call an announcement a u-turn.
That's the incorrect terminology of the whole statement of this thread.

It was believed in hopefully 2 years by this govt,that we would have all in place to be out the EU in that time.
Business and other sources have warned possibly years of a slower transition will be needed,
Even this govt. now accepts that is 'more' than likely.

So Labour feel for that transitional period,we should remain in the single market.
There's no u turn,just a realisation of what is best or needed until we reach full severance from the EU.

Corbyn is still taking the UK out of the EU,nothings changed there at all.
He and Labour would still after the transition period,cessation full membership of the single market on current terms.

As a leader he has to lead but also has to listen,just as in the new reality of politics now,Mrs May has to listen to her more moderate voices on Europe again in her own govt.

The bile that gets thrown Corbyn and Labour on every reaction to political change on plans from the govt.is really tiresome.
Especially when all the alterations of original plans of the govt are glossed over and sidestepped by those simply pushing their own bias against a Party and leader they don't personally like.

That is not reasoned debating at all,nor is it 'seeking' reasoned debate either, as you sort of point out in your post above.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Spot on again.

However I stress again how can this be a u-turn, when those anti Labour across the board,have criticised Labour for never spelling out brexit plans or policy.

Then call an announcement a u-turn.
That's the incorrect terminology of the whole statement of this thread.

It was believed in hopefully 2 years by this govt,that we would have all in place to be out the EU in that time.
Business and other sources have warned possibly years of a slower transition will be needed,
Even this govt. now accepts that is 'more' than likely.

So Labour feel for that transitional period,we should remain in the single market.
There's no u turn,just a realisation of what is best or needed until we reach full severance from the EU.

Corbyn is still taking the UK out of the EU,nothings changed there at all.
He and Labour would still after the transition period,cessation full membership of the single market on current terms.

As a leader he has to lead but also has to listen,just as in the new reality of politics now,Mrs May has to listen to her more moderate voices on Europe again in her own govt.

The bile that gets thrown Corbyn and Labour on every reaction to political change on plans from the govt.is really tiresome.
Especially when all the alterations of original plans of the govt are glossed over and sidestepped by those simply pushing their own bias against a Party and leader they don't personally like.

That is not reasoned debating at all,nor is it 'seeking' reasoned debate either, as you sort of point out in your post above.

I assume you are not conveniently forgeting the bile thrown at May at the election, often from those making the most fuss at any criticism of Corben, often sinking as low as insulting her looks. Is that ok in your book then? Not at all one-sided then. Accept it, admit it - non-left-wing opinions are not well accepted on here by some and censorship is attempted by the worst offenders.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Spot on again.

However I stress again how can this be a u-turn, when those anti Labour across the board,have criticised Labour for never spelling out brexit plans or policy.

Then call an announcement a u-turn.
That's the incorrect terminology of the whole statement of this thread.

It was believed in hopefully 2 years by this govt,that we would have all in place to be out the EU in that time.
Business and other sources have warned possibly years of a slower transition will be needed,
Even this govt. now accepts that is 'more' than likely.

So Labour feel for that transitional period,we should remain in the single market.
There's no u turn,just a realisation of what is best or needed until we reach full severance from the EU.

Corbyn is still taking the UK out of the EU,nothings changed there at all.
He and Labour would still after the transition period,cessation full membership of the single market on current terms.

As a leader he has to lead but also has to listen,just as in the new reality of politics now,Mrs May has to listen to her more moderate voices on Europe again in her own govt.

The bile that gets thrown Corbyn and Labour on every reaction to political change on plans from the govt.is really tiresome.
Especially when all the alterations of original plans of the govt are glossed over and sidestepped by those simply pushing their own bias against a Party and leader they don't personally like.

That is not reasoned debating at all,nor is it 'seeking' reasoned debate either, as you sort of point out in your post above.

I fully support this shift in Labour policy and I'd love to have a reasoned debate on this new political strategy but I don't feel I can do that here because the title of this thread made it clear from the get go, that this is just another thread about damning Corbyn.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I fully support this shift in Labour policy and I'd love to have a reasoned debate on this new political strategy but I don't feel I can do that here because the title of this thread made it clear from the get go, that this is just another thread about damning Corbyn.

make a thread then..