[Jack_]

Originally Posted by RileyHollyoaks

Just for fun...

Rebecca (yes I know this was VTS)
Joe
Simone
Sue
Chanelle!
Marco
Natalie
Georgina
Charlie
Harriet/Amy & Sally/Sarah
Jade
Marc
Harry Amelia
Pauline
Toya
Steven
Mark
Wolfy
Dan
Callum
Hazel

So 23 evictions where the wrong person went in around 40 legit evictions. I wouldn't call that a success rate

Originally Posted by Greg!

I'm not dead against incorporating some aspects of the US format into BBUK like letting them discuss noms, having ceremonies etc but imo they should never get rid of the public vote, because that is not how Big Brother works in the UK and I like it like that and so do the vast majority of viewers. They don't have to completely get rid of the format and change it to get viewers back and make the show better, they literally just need to make the rules consistent again (2 or more with most noms are up) and stop having constant pointless twists.

I've no problem with them keeping a public vote either, in fact I think it'd be a good compromise. But if they're going to have public influence it cannot be direct control over who goes home or else there's no point in even tweaking the format. If the HoH were to nom three people, and the public voted to save one post-Veto, leaving the housemates to evict one of the remaining two I'd quite like that. It would add another dynamic to the game too because your target could be saved week on week by the public.

I'll always agree about a consistent format (I just don't believe the original is the right one) and less tacky twists, but I no longer believe a 'back to basics' series is going to cut it. The entire show is stale, even down to the very way it's edited and put together, to the live show presentation - everything. The show needs an entirely new look and I don't think more normal housemates and regular noms is it. Either way though, none of this is going to happen and it's going to be more of the same crap from Ben Frow and the BTEC Media students and BBUK will be axed within a year.

Originally Posted by Oaker

Remember when 90% of the public voted against letting the housemates talk about nominations?

Yeah that's how much the viewers of the show love gameplaying and strategy.

That's because people don't like and aren't open to change (a common validation for VTE is 'it's the traditional way' ffs) I know I'm in the minority on this too but there's a reason why the first two weeks of BB13 were the best (and why it was one of the best starts to a BB series on C5)

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'll always agree about a consistent format (I just don't believe the original is the right one) and less tacky twists, but I no longer believe a 'back to basics' series is going to cut it. The entire show is stale, even down to the very way it's edited and put together, to the live show presentation - everything. The show needs an entirely new look and I don't think more normal housemates and regular noms is it. Either way though, none of this is going to happen and it's going to be more of the same crap from Ben Frow and the BTEC Media students and BBUK will be axed within a year.

I don't want it to go back to basics in the sense of like BB4 for example. I just mean there shouldn't be twists every single week, it should be edited and produced in the style of BB5-BB10, live feed should be brought back to bring back former viewers and bring in new ones, and the rules should be consistent again. Maybe a few tweaks here and there to keep the show feeling fresh.

[RileyH]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Just for fun...

Rebecca (yes I know this was VTS)
Joe
Simone
Sue
Chanelle!
Marco
Natalie
Georgina
Charlie
Harriet/Amy & Sally/Sarah
Jade
Marc
Harry Amelia
Pauline
Toya
Steven
Mark
Wolfy
Dan
Callum
Hazel

So 23 evictions where the wrong person went in around 40 legit evictions. I wouldn't call that a success rate

mess, but they won't listen

VTE is the worst, and it shows looking at your list

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Just for fun...

Rebecca (yes I know this was VTS)
Joe
Simone
Sue
Chanelle!
Marco
Natalie
Georgina
Charlie
Harriet/Amy & Sally/Sarah
Jade
Marc
Harry Amelia
Pauline
Toya
Steven
Mark
Wolfy
Dan
Callum
Hazel

So 23 evictions where the wrong person went in around 40 legit evictions. I wouldn't call that a success rate



I've no problem with them keeping a public vote either, in fact I think it'd be a good compromise. But if they're going to have public influence it cannot be direct control over who goes home or else there's no point in even tweaking the format. If the HoH were to nom three people, and the public voted to save one post-Veto, leaving the housemates to evict one of the remaining two I'd quite like that. It would add another dynamic to the game too because your target could be saved week on week by the public.

I'll always agree about a consistent format (I just don't believe the original is the right one) and less tacky twists, but I no longer believe a 'back to basics' series is going to cut it. The entire show is stale, even down to the very way it's edited and put together, to the live show presentation - everything. The show needs an entirely new look and I don't think more normal housemates and regular noms is it. Either way though, none of this is going to happen and it's going to be more of the same crap from Ben Frow and the BTEC Media students and BBUK will be axed within a year.



That's because people don't like and aren't open to change (a common validation for VTE is 'it's the traditional way' ffs) I know I'm in the minority on this too but there's a reason why the first two weeks of BB13 were the best (and why it was one of the best starts to a BB series on C5)

Lol the ones in bold absolutely deserved to be evicted. I didn't watch much of BB18 but from what I know, Joe, Rebecca, Sue and Simone were all awful. VTS just champions dickheads tbh. I don't mind it used for CBB because I don't care much for it or don't get invested in it nowadays, but if it was to go back to BB then it would be rubbish, now that the voting public seem to have pretty terrible taste. It worked in the 2011/2012 era as it was a fresh concept back then and the majority of housemates they cast weren't arseholes.

[MTVN]

I hate the idea of evictions being completely taken out of the hands of the viewers. That's so far removed from the point and purpose of the show. I don't think a Netflix/Amazon takeover is likely and if it did happen we would be left with a very different product.

I actually want it to stay with C5. I know its got problems and its not perfect but we have still had some good series recently. It might not be up to the standards of BB's height but it probably never will be now. Any other channel would change BB much more than C5 have done imo.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I hate the idea of evictions being completely taken out of the hands of the viewers. That's so far removed from the point and purpose of the show. I don't think a Netflix/Amazon takeover is likely and if it did happen we would be left with a very different product.

I actually want it to stay with C5. I know its got problems and its not perfect but we have still had some good series recently. It might not be up to the standards of BB's height but it probably never will be now. Any other channel would change BB much more than C5 have done imo.

The premise of Big Brother is to lock a bunch of strangers inside a house for an extended period of time and film and broadcast them 24/7, and BBUK is one of the only versions on planet earth not doing the latter (while the US and Canadian shows are, with BBCan giving away feeds for free) - so what does that say about it being true to the purpose and point of the show?

The method in which housemates are evicted is an additional part of different versions of the show, it has nothing to do with the premise of Big Brother. And as I said earlier, I would go so far as to say that a version without a public vote is a lot more purer and true to the 'social experiment' idea that BB once was.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The premise of Big Brother is to lock a bunch of strangers inside a house for an extended period of time and film and broadcast them 24/7, and BBUK is one of the only versions on planet earth not doing the latter (while the US and Canadian shows are, with BBCan giving away feeds for free) - so what does that say about it being true to the purpose and point of the show?

The method in which housemates are evicted is an additional part of different versions of the show, it has nothing to do with the premise of Big Brother. And as I said earlier, I would go so far as to say that a version without a public vote is a lot more purer and true to the 'social experiment' idea that BB once was.

But the idea is that each housemate is subject to the scrutiny of not just the other housemates but also the viewing audience, it's what involves us in the show and gives the public a chance to shape it. I get that a lot of people aren't always happy about the eviction results that leads to but its still a fundamental part of the show. Its why it's not as simple to have a 'gameplan' in BBUK as it might be in BBUS.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Lol the ones in bold absolutely deserved to be evicted. I didn't watch much of BB18 but from what I know, Joe, Rebecca, Sue and Simone were all awful. VTS just champions dickheads tbh. I don't mind it used for CBB because I don't care much for it or don't get invested in it nowadays, but if it was to go back to BB then it would be rubbish, now that the voting public seem to have pretty terrible taste. It worked in the 2011/2012 era as it was a fresh concept back then and the majority of housemates they cast weren't arseholes.

Marco over Emma, Natalie over Charlie, Georgina over Evelyn, Charlie over Jason, Sarah over Chloe, Marc over Sam, Harry Amelia over Chloe & Sam, Pauline over Marlon, Jale, Christopher & Ash, Toya over Ash, Chris, Christopher, Jale, Marlon & Winston, Steven over Pav & Zoe, Wolfy over Jackie & Hazel, Dan over SAM AND SOPHIE, and Hazel over Jack & Joe & Sophie were all deserved evictions? Yeah sorry but it's just not realistic in any way shape or form

Joe was lowkey amusing and also gave both Raph and Rebecca a storyline and Sue and Simone were the only thing keeping the two weeks they were in the series remotely interesting so I've no idea where you've heard that. VTE just champions total non-entities who play no part in their series and somehow end up in the final at the expense of housemates who bothered to turn up, only to then finish 5th and 6th (or in some dire cases actually win ). It's completely counterproductive, give me a dickhead who I actually have an opinion on any day. Also most of the housemates in BB13 (2012) were arseholes...

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Marco over Emma, Natalie over Charlie, Georgina over Evelyn, Charlie over Jason, Sarah over Chloe, Marc over Sam, Harry Amelia over Chloe & Sam, Pauline over Marlon, Jale, Christopher & Ash, Toya over Ash, Chris, Christopher, Jale, Marlon & Winston, Steven over Pav & Zoe, Wolfy over Jackie & Hazel, Dan over SAM AND SOPHIE, and Hazel over Jack & Joe & Sophie were all deserved evictions? Yeah sorry but it's just not realistic in any way shape or form

Joe was lowkey amusing and also gave both Raph and Rebecca a storyline and Sue and Simone were the only thing keeping the two weeks they were in the series remotely interesting so I've no idea where you've heard that. VTE just champions total non-entities who play no part in their series and somehow end up in the final at the expense of housemates who bothered to turn up, only to then finish 5th and 6th (or in some dire cases actually win ). It's completely counterproductive, give me a dickhead who I actually have an opinion on any day. Also most of the housemates in BB13 (2012) were arseholes...

Everyone you've put in bold is either trash or nothing special (apart from Toya, Charlie and maybe Natalie)

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Everyone you've put in bold is either trash or nothing special (apart from Toya, Charlie and maybe Natalie)

Some of them are sure, the point I'm making is they in no way deserved to be evicted over the people they were up against

The public vote sucks because the actual right person hardly ever leaves