[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Wow, the government will do ... Nothing different at all.

After all, enough is enough.

Honestly, the only thing that might stop the terror is to identify the places in the UK controlled by Muslims and then build walls around them.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Honestly, the only thing that might stop the terror is to identify the places in the UK controlled by Muslims and then build walls around them.

There are no places in the UK that are ''controlled by Muslims'' (despite what a few agenda-driven people would want you to believe) and we do not ''build walls'' around or even between us and any problems we have. We are not Israel or the US (thankfully!).
Trump has backed down on his vote bait wall crap now too, so even someone in such a high position with such bad ideas has come to realize that it would do much more damage (to him obviously, because that's all he's ever cared about) than good (again, to him).

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Honestly, the only thing that might stop the terror is to identify the places in the UK controlled by Muslims and then build walls around them.

You do realise this is an overtly racist comment don't you?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You do realise this is an overtly racist comment don't you?

Thirty years from now, I truly do wish it would be possible for you to read all of this petty crap you have been writing on here. To be called a racist or not to be called a racist does not have any effect on me because I know the situation is very grave. Your country is going to go through a race/religious war within your lifetime. The mathematics of birthrates and immigration and the history of what Muslims do to host countries once they reach a critical percentage overwhelmingly points to that outcome. Imagine what you will tell your grand kids when they ask why your generation voluntarily let in the Muslims. "We let them in to prove how virtuous and non-racist we were." It's our kids and grand kids that will have to pay the price for our stupidity.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Thirty years from now, I truly do wish it would be possible for you to read all of this petty crap you have been writing on here. To be called a racist or not to be called a racist does not have any effect on me because I know the situation is very grave. Your country is going to go through a race/religious war within your lifetime. The mathematics of birthrates and immigration and the history of what Muslims do to host countries once they reach a critical percentage overwhelmingly points to that outcome. Imagine what you will tell your grand kids when they ask why your generation voluntarily let in the Muslims. "We let them in to prove how virtuous and non-racist we were." It's our kids and grand kids that will have to pay the price for our stupidity.

You mean like Israel?

Muslims have suffered terribly in our hands. US-Nato wars have killed millions of them https://www.globalresearch.ca/four-m...nocide/5470424

What I'll tell my grandchildren is, we lived in a time where the West were intent on re-empire building in foreign lands. We struck, we invaded, destroyed and pillaged and the result was, millions of Muslims fled their homes and tried to find sanctuary in the West. I'll tell them about Israel and its apartheid and how the West supported the rise of Zionism. I'll tell them about how the West sat back and did nothing when the Budhists in Burma mass slaughtered Muslims and I'll tell them about the terrorist attacks by a small number of fanatics on our own shores and the immediate surge of racial hatred towards Muslims that brought racial bigots out of every nut and cranny and how hysterical media channels and right-wing bloggers made a small number of people paranoid, fearful and hateful.

And then I'll reassure them that the majority of us have common human decency and will always defend our country and its multi-ethenic population.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You mean like Israel?

Muslims have suffered terribly in our hands. US-Nato wars have killed millions of them https://www.globalresearch.ca/four-m...nocide/5470424

What I'll tell my grandchildren is, we lived in a time where the West were intent on re-empire building in foreign lands. We struck, we invaded, destroyed and pillaged and the result was, millions of Muslims fled their homes and tried to find sanctuary in the West. I'll tell them about Israel and its apartheid and how the West supported the rise of Zionism. I'll tell them about how the West sat back and did nothing when the Budhists in Burma mass slaughtered Muslims and I'll tell them about the terrorist attacks by a small number of fanatics on our own shores and the immediate surge of racial hatred towards Muslims that brought racial bigots out of every nut and cranny and how hysterical media channels and right-wing bloggers made a small number of people paranoid, fearful and hateful.

And then I'll reassure them that the majority of us have common human decency and will always defend our country and its multi-ethenic population.

Just a bit of 'light' left-wing indoctrination of your future grandchildren then. I hope you at least wait until they have reached adulthood, and hopefully the ability to form their own opinions, before dropping all the heavy stuff on them.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Just a bit of 'light' left-wing indoctrination of your future grandchildren then. I hope you at least wait until they have reached adulthood, and hopefully the ability to form their own opinions, before dropping all the heavy stuff on them.

Nothing wrong with the historical truth. Are you suggesting we didn't do any of these things?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Honestly, the only thing that might stop the terror is to identify the places in the UK controlled by Muslims and then build walls around them.

The only way we can stop terror is to stop participating in it.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The only way we can stop terror is to stop participating in it.

I never have participated. When did you participate?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Alf

I never have participated. When did you participate?

Is that how far your thinking goes?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Is that how far your thinking goes?

Yes I'm afraid it is. Could you now answer my question please.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Alf

I never have participated. When did you participate?

You know full well I was talking about the US and its alies which includes us.

Most Muslims have not participated in acts of terror but all Muslims (at least by some) are expected to take responsibility for that terror.

People in the street are not responsible for the millions of Muslim deaths but Muslim terrorists blame all of us in the West for those deaths. We have to stop supporting invasions. We have to stop the West from being terrorists in other lands because only then will we stop radicalizing the idiots.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

People in the street are not responsible for the millions of Muslim deaths but Muslim terrorists blame all of us in the West for those deaths. We have to stop supporting invasions. We have to stop the West from being terrorists in other lands because only then will we stop radicalizing the idiots.

And how are we supposed to stop supporting invasions, when most people wish government money would be spent on better things anyway? It's no good placing any blame on the average person for 'supporting' any government, just like Homer Simpson can't claim credit for white people on the moon.

Y'know who wouldn't support foreign invasions, and who wasn't old enough to vote for parties that carry them out? The seven year old who died in the islamic attack in Manchester, as well as the other child victims.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

And how are we supposed to stop supporting invasions, when most people wish government money would be spent on better things anyway? It's no good placing any blame on the average person for 'supporting' any government, just like Homer Simpson can't claim credit for white people on the moon.

Y'know who wouldn't support foreign invasions, and who wasn't old enough to vote for parties that carry them out? The seven year old who died in the islamic attack in Manchester, as well as the other child victims.

Great point

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

And how are we supposed to stop supporting invasions, when most people wish government money would be spent on better things anyway? It's no good placing any blame on the average person for 'supporting' any government, just like Homer Simpson can't claim credit for white people on the moon.

Y'know who wouldn't support foreign invasions, and who wasn't old enough to vote for parties that carry them out? The seven year old who died in the islamic attack in Manchester, as well as the other child victims.

Anyone who supports the invasion of other countries to line their own pockets with that countries resources isn't someone I want to know. Fortunately, I've never come across such a person but thats all to do with the sort of people I hang out with.

As for IS supporters, they want us all to hate Muslims because it aids their cause and clearly, what they are doing works.

What I'm saying is, we can't be blind to the cause. Western governments created ISIS. Western governments have systematically turned parts of the middle east to dust and killed millions... many of them innocents. Muslim terrorists in turn, randomly kill innocent Westerners and they aren't doing it because they want us all to be Muslims, like some on here seem to think, but because they've been radicalised into believing we are all evil. People who hate Muslims are no different than the radicalized Muslims amongst us who hate westerners.

I don't support terrorism in any form and that includes our reign of terrorism on their lands and their reign of terror on ours.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Anyone who supports the invasion of other countries to line their own pockets with that countries resources isn't someone I want to know. Fortunately, I've never come across such a person but thats all to do with the sort of people I hang out with.

As for IS supporters, they want us all to hate Muslims because it aids their cause and clearly, what they are doing works.

What I'm saying is, we can't be blind to the cause. Western governments created ISIS. Western governments have systematically turned parts of the middle east to dust and killed millions... many of them innocents. Muslim terrorists in turn, randomly kill innocent Westerners and they aren't doing it because they want us all to be Muslims, like some on here seem to think, but because they've been radicalised into believing we are all evil. People who hate Muslims are no different than the radicalized Muslims amongst us who hate westerners.

I don't support terrorism in any form and that includes our reign of terrorism on their lands and their reign of terror on ours.

There is an obvious difference between 'people who hate Muslims' - your words with the constant use of the emotive word 'hate' with deliberate intent in my opinion - and those radicalised Muslims amoungst us who hate Westerners - in that the Westerners use the ballot box to air their grievances not terrorist attacks against innocent children.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What I'm saying is, we can't be blind to the cause. Western governments created ISIS. Western governments have systematically turned parts of the middle east to dust and killed millions... many of them innocents. Muslim terrorists in turn, randomly kill innocent Westerners and they aren't doing it because they want us all to be Muslims, like some on here seem to think, but because they've been radicalised into believing we are all evil. People who hate Muslims are no different than the radicalized Muslims amongst us who hate westerners.

Which is why isolated muslim communities shouldn't be a thing - they don't see the real world, and therefore don't realise that the average UK citizen isn't evil, nor are they haters of all muslims. The isolationist and islam-centric lifestyles are more to blame than what happens to countries they probably don't even have any close relatives from.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Anyone who supports the invasion of other countries to line their own pockets with that countries resources isn't someone I want to know. Fortunately, I've never come across such a person but thats all to do with the sort of people I hang out with.

As for IS supporters, they want us all to hate Muslims because it aids their cause and clearly, what they are doing works.

What I'm saying is, we can't be blind to the cause. Western governments created ISIS. Western governments have systematically turned parts of the middle east to dust and killed millions... many of them innocents. Muslim terrorists in turn, randomly kill innocent Westerners and they aren't doing it because they want us all to be Muslims, like some on here seem to think, but because they've been radicalised into believing we are all evil. People who hate Muslims are no different than the radicalized Muslims amongst us who hate westerners.

I don't support terrorism in any form and that includes our reign of terrorism on their lands and their reign of terror on ours.

http://www.e-ir.info/2015/03/09/one-...asion-of-iraq/

The above link highlights the myriad of reasons why the West invaded Iraq and 'lining their own pockets' was hardly a motive of any real significance in comparison to others. Your views on this are very much an opinion piece with no real basis other then conjecture. I'd like to see you try to dismiss this link as purely an uninformed opinion piece.

Terrorism from The Middle East hardly started purely as a result of the invasion of Iraq, it was around long before that and WAS a significant reason for the invasion. The Middle East and ISIS don't appear to need much in the way of such an excuse to hate the West as hate seems to be something they understand very well and indeed thrive on.

We see signs of that here in the West right now to a lesser degree with the over-sensitivity, and sometimes extreme reaction to any criticism of a religion by so-called moderates, i.e. that Islam should be protected from Western humour and jokes when all reglions are exposed to this - through to the more extreme control of Sharia Law and terror attacks.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Y'know who wouldn't support foreign invasions, and who wasn't old enough to vote for parties that carry them out? The seven year old who died in the islamic attack in Manchester, as well as the other child victims.

I know who would support foreign invasions even less than the few children who have tragically lost their lives in terrorist attacks in the UK and that's he tens of thousands of children in the Middle-East who have lost their lives in those greed motivated foreign invasions whose deaths are rarely even acknowledged by the rest of the World.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by JTM45

I know who would support foreign invasions even less than the few children who have tragically lost their lives in terrorist attacks in the UK and that's he tens of thousands of children in the Middle-East who have lost their lives in those greed motivated foreign invasions whose deaths are rarely even acknowledged by the rest of the World.

It's still stupid to use that as an excuse for people born and raised here carrying out terror attacks.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You know full well I was talking about the US and its alies which includes us.

Most Muslims have not participated in acts of terror but all Muslims (at least by some) are expected to take responsibility for that terror.

People in the street are not responsible for the millions of Muslim deaths but Muslim terrorists blame all of us in the West for those deaths. We have to stop supporting invasions. We have to stop the West from being terrorists in other lands because only then will we stop radicalizing the idiots.

I agree. I think that would take about ten years or more though, and we're showing no signs of beginning that process.

[jaxie]

[QUOTE=DemolitionRed;9622202]You know full well I was talking about the US and its alies which includes us.

Most Muslims have not participated in acts of terror but all Muslims (at least by some) are expected to take responsibility for that terror.

People in the street are not responsible for the millions of Muslim deaths but Muslim terrorists blame all of us in the West for those deaths. We have to stop supporting invasions. We have to stop the West from being terrorists in other lands because only then will we stop radicalizing the idiots.[/QUOTE

You are conveniently forgetting how it all began with an invasion of one country by another and fears that the aggressor in Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It was discovered that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after a war and the Labour party were voted from power to the point all you Labour devotees try to pretend they were a different party. Let's not forget the vote not to intervene in Syria early in the conflict when it might have helped people being bombarded and gassed by their own government was prevented for no other reason than political one upmanship by Labour.

If you want throw around blame start with Labour and follow on with religious insanity.

[Brillopad]

[QUOTE=jaxie;9622328]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You know full well I was talking about the US and its alies which includes us.

Most Muslims have not participated in acts of terror but all Muslims (at least by some) are expected to take responsibility for that terror.

People in the street are not responsible for the millions of Muslim deaths but Muslim terrorists blame all of us in the West for those deaths. We have to stop supporting invasions. We have to stop the West from being terrorists in other lands because only then will we stop radicalizing the idiots.[/QUOT

You are conveniently forgetting how it all began with an invasion of one country by another and fears that the aggressor in Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It was discovered that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after a war and the Labour party were removed from power to the point all you Labour devotees try to pretend they were a different party. Let's not forget the vote not to intervene in Syria early in the conflict when it might have helped people being bombarded and gassed by their own government was prevented for no other reason than political one upmanship by Labour.

Excellent point.

[DemolitionRed]

[QUOTE=jaxie;9622328]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You know full well I was talking about the US and its alies which includes us.

Most Muslims have not participated in acts of terror but all Muslims (at least by some) are expected to take responsibility for that terror.

People in the street are not responsible for the millions of Muslim deaths but Muslim terrorists blame all of us in the West for those deaths. We have to stop supporting invasions. We have to stop the West from being terrorists in other lands because only then will we stop radicalizing the idiots.[/QUOTE

You are conveniently forgetting how it all began with an invasion of one country by another and fears that the aggressor in Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It was discovered that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after a war and the Labour party were voted from power to the point all you Labour devotees try to pretend they were a different party. Let's not forget the vote not to intervene in Syria early in the conflict when it might have helped people being bombarded and gassed by their own government was prevented for no other reason than political one upmanship by Labour.

If you want throw around blame start with Labour and follow on with religious insanity.

I walked that anti Iraq march. I hated Blair and his warmongering politics. So what are you saying? you wouldn't be suggesting that because I'm a left wing thinker I'm happy to go along with anything the left does? Are you also saying that Blair was Left wing? He was more right wing than Thatcher, that's why he got into office. If you want to discuss just how right-wing Blair was, then I'm up for that debate.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The only way we can stop terror is to stop participating in it.

I don't think it works like that