[Niamh.]

This is a good article to balance things out a bit from the TV Series

http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies...nt-present.php

[Niamh.]

And this one is better :

http://thefederalist.com/2016/08/19/...guilty-as-sin/

Let’s review: If your contention is that Avery is innocent, you must also believe that a string of clandestine schemes were pulled off by a group of law enforcement officials (or some other unknown person) who exhibited a level of proficiency that rivals SPECTRE. You would have to believe that these people either murdered an innocent woman, or found her and then, presumably, set up Avery because he had been exonerated in the earlier rape case; that they then drove Halbach’s car into the Avery family auto yard and dumped it there without being noticed; that they got their hands on Avery’s blood and sweat and then smeared it on Halbach’s car; that they then scorched her body in his fire pit and dumped her remains on his property without anyone noticing; that they took more of Avery’s DNA and smeared it on Halbach’s car keys, which were planted in the trailer; and then, somehow, they also deposited a bullet from his gun with her DNA (a fact not mentioned in the documentary, incidentally) and planted in it the garage. That’s just for starters.

[Brother Leon]

I think he's innocent, but I don't think it was a huge conspiracy. I think Brendan's stepdad did it and tried to frame Avery and then the police saw the opportunity to lock Avery up and save themselves some headache and they went for it. I think there is no doubt evidence was tampered with just to make sure they got him.

[Brother Leon]

All in all. I'm just glad that Dassey is being released. Those cops and his lawyer were disgusting.

[lostalex]

Wasn't it the fiance or something that seemed suspicious on the show?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Wasn't it the fiance or something that seemed suspicious on the show?

I think he was an ex boyfriend but they were still friends or something? tbf they kind of made a few people look suspicious

[Shaun]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ocial-facebook

Youtube video

[Ammi]

...didn't he also meet his last partner when he was in prison the first time and with all of the media attention attached to the case..?..(if he's guilty..)..the psychology is thought provoking as well because could he with his actions, be 'addicted' to being in prison and being 'the innocent guy' and all of the attention it brings or brought him the first time when he was innocent and so many rooting for him...probably way off but hmmmm.....

[Niamh.]

Steve Avery and his fiance will be on an episode of Dr. Phil next week, definitely a must watch

http://buzz.ie/steven-avery-is-makin...-tv-this-week/

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Steve Avery and his fiance will be on an episode of Dr. Phil next week, definitely a must watch

http://buzz.ie/steven-avery-is-makin...-tv-this-week/

...oh I don't know if I can get Dr Phil on my channels, I'll have to look into that...

[Josy]

Brendan is being released today

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Brendan is being released today

good, no matter what happened the system certainly failed him and if he was involved like how he said then he was probably terrified of Stephen too

[Ammi]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rs-prison.html



....eek, I know this is probably a horrid thing to feel but I'm still a bit conflicted with this in that, that I still think about that image of Brendan smiling at the prison window and the first time seeing him smile and had he found something there that his life and family had never given...had prison become a better 'family' for him...the words of his attorney..'that's the focus, getting him back with his family right now'...anyway it looks as though it's not completely clear yet, that he definitely will be released or if he has already, I can't find that update....only this DM article from a few days ago...

[Niamh.]

Good video in this link, an interview with Ken Kratz, I believe him tbh. He addresses the "new" evidence for Steven Averys appeal too

https://www.yahoo.com/news/steven-av...215347580.html

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Good video in this link, an interview with Ken Kratz, I believe him tbh. He addresses the "new" evidence for Steven Averys appeal too

https://www.yahoo.com/news/steven-av...215347580.html

I thought they were making Making a murderer part 2? Is this still happening Niamh? and if it is, do you know when?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

I thought they were making Making a murderer part 2? Is this still happening Niamh? and if it is, do you know when?

I haven't heard much about it tbh Alf, i wonder are they waiting to see if he gets his appeal? They have some material with Brendan being freed anyway

[Niamh.]

http://perezhilton.com/2017-02-02-ma...t#.WP37m_nysnQ

Also, Brendan Dassey didn't get out after all?

http://perezhilton.com/2016-11-17-ma...t#.WP37-PnysnQ

[DemolitionRed]

The plot thickens.

I knew he was guilty all along

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The plot thickens.

I knew he was guilty all along

Been saying it for ages

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Been saying it for ages

All the time the programme was going on, you get so into it. Having a break and then coming back to it is probably a good thing because it means we are going to listen more to both sides.

I would of shouted INNOCENT from the roof tops, but after watching the video you linked (thanks for that Niamh) I'm not so sure. The only thing I would say is, its high functioning psychopaths that get away with heinous crimes like this. Avery doesn't come over as all that bright, so even with the best lawyers in the county/country, you wouldn't of thought he could cover this up as long as he has.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

All the time the programme was going on, you get so into it. Having a break and then coming back to it is probably a good thing because it means we are going to listen more to both sides.

I would of shouted INNOCENT from the roof tops, but after watching the video you linked (thanks for that Niamh) I'm not so sure. The only thing I would say is, its high functioning psychopaths that get away with heinous crimes like this. Avery doesn't come over as all that bright, so even with the best lawyers in the county/country, you wouldn't of thought he could cover this up as long as he has.

Well he hasnt really covered it up tbf, he is in prison for it plus according to that link I posted he admitted it to his cell mate. I doubt the cell mate has anything to gain from making it up, they're not going to offer him a reduced sentence when Steve Avery is already convicted for the crime

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[Niamh.]

Today is set to be a big day in determining the future of Brendan Dassey

Dassey has remained in prison since a homicide conviction was overturned last year.
Lawyers working on behalf of Brendan Dassey will make a case for his release from prison in front of a federal appeals court in Chicago on Tuesday.

In 2007, Dassey, the nephew of Steven Avery, was convicted of raping and killing Teresa Halbach and sentenced to life in prison in a case made famous by the 2015 Netflix documentary series, Making a Murderer.

In August of last year, a federal judge in Milwaukee overturned a conviction of murder in relation to the death of Teresa Halbach in 2005, arguing that Dassey was coerced into a confession by investigators.

Shortly before he was due to be released from prison, however, a federal appeals court in the United States blocked his release despite the fact that his homicide conviction had been overturned.

State attorneys subsequently called for a full review of the case and the interrogation techniques used by police officials and Dassey has remained in prison since.

According to TIME, all 12 judges of the 7th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in Chicago will hear oral arguments in the Dassey case on Tuesday, with lawyers acting on behalf of Dassey and state attorneys expected to speak and to answer the questions of judges for approximately 30 minutes each.

A ruling in the case involving Dassey, now 27, may not arrive for weeks or months.

The events surrounding Halbach’s death and the subsequent sentencing of Avery and Dassey was documented in the Netflix series Making a Murderer, which Netflix have confirmed will return for a second season later this year.

https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/brendan-dassey-602238

[Josy]

I was reading about this yesterday but I saw something saying the result wont be for months

[user104658]

I still say Dassey should never have been sent to prison regardless of his involvement or validity of his confession. Assuming the entire narrative is true, he was a vulnerable child forced to commit a horrendous crime by a manipulative family member. He has significant learning difficulties, a very low IQ, and other mental health issues alongside... IF we can assume that Avery is guilty, then in my opinion, Brendan is another of his victims - not a co-conspirator. He should have been placed in a secure facility until it could be assessed whether or not he was actually dangerous (when not influenced by others); not prison. If deemed not suitable to be back in public due being vulnerable to being influenced by others, then a secure, monitored semi-independent living facility ongoing.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I still say Dassey should never have been sent to prison regardless of his involvement or validity of his confession. Assuming the entire narrative is true, he was a vulnerable child forced to commit a horrendous crime by a manipulative family member. He has significant learning difficulties, a very low IQ, and other mental health issues alongside... IF we can assume that Avery is guilty, then in my opinion, Brendan is another of his victims - not a co-conspirator. He should have been placed in a secure facility until it could be assessed whether or not he was actually dangerous (when not influenced by others); not prison. If deemed not suitable to be back in public due being vulnerable to being influenced by others, then a secure, monitored semi-independent living facility ongoing.

I agree with this.