[Parmy]

My jumbled paragraph would have explained that i know you arent blaming men and its just a reaction to the sad state of the times..i think the only thing i disagree with is the debate question in that it should be men....shouldnt it be both?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

My jumbled paragraph would have explained that i know you arent blaming men and its just a reaction to the sad state of the times..i think the only thing i disagree with is the debate question in that it should be men....shouldnt it be both?

Of course it should be both. And women have been arguing against it for a very long time. And do stand up against it (I would argue, possibly more frequently than men do) but womens voices are just not heard the way mens are (especially on the issue of male violence against females)

Also women sometimes do not actually see the 'true' side of men, as some men will try to suppress it around women..especially women they love. Men out as just men...are much more likely to air their true feelings about this matter. Men are in a much better position in this way too.

The kind of man who would assault a female...is unlikely to listen to females when they complain about this kind of thing. They are much more likely to listen to males around them. If that makes more sense

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course it should be both. And women have been arguing against it for a very long time. And do stand up against it (I would argue, possibly more frequently than men do) but womens voices are just not heard the way mens are (especially on the issue of male violence against females)

Also women sometimes do not actually see the 'true' side of men, as some men will try to suppress it around women..especially women they love. Men out as just men...are much more likely to air their true feelings about this matter. Men are in a much better position in this way too.

The kind of man who would assault a female...is unlikely to listen to females when they complain about this kind of thing. They are much more likely to listen to males around them. If that makes more sense

Going on from your last paragraph....

That would work in the offices around the world and should be applauded.

But the more money involved and the more power that person has....how do we get round that?

Protest...together. male and female.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Going on from your last paragraph....

That would work in the offices around the world and should be applauded.

But the more money involved and the more power that person has....how do we get round that?

Protest...together. male and female.

I don't disagree with the sentiment. But I don't see how protesting would actally work on issues such as these...this is such a widespread problem ...a problem with society in general.

I guess a shift in attitude away from the current 'lets blame the vicitm in some way' narrative when people report sexual assaults may help in some way. I mean, even friends (both male and female) who would be described as feminists in so many areas of life have come out with rubbish such as 'when women dress like that, what do they expect'...shifting the blame from the men who assaulted, onto the woman in some way. Stuff like this, widesspread as it is, prevents people coming forward. As along as the fear of not being believed, there is fear of being blamed.

But in a total across the board way to improve things, I think the author of the article in the OP has the right idea. Male voices are more heard. So whilst females will obvously do the same, males need to stand up and be counted on this issue, and not let mysoginy go unchallenged any more. (obviously speaking in a wider sense, not on an individual level as some men clearly DO currently stand up to this ****)

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't disagree with the sentiment. But I don't see how protesting would actally work on issues such as these...this is such a widespread problem ...a problem with society in general.

I guess a shift in attitude away from the current 'lets blame the vicitm in some way' narrative when people report sexual assaults may help in some way. I mean, even friends (both male and female) who would be described as feminists in so many areas of life have come out with rubbish such as 'when women dress like that, what do they expect'...shifting the blame from the men who assaulted, onto the woman in some way. Stuff like this, widesspread as it is, prevents people coming forward. As along as the fear of not being believed, there is fear of being blamed.

But in a total across the board way to improve things, I think the author of the article in the OP has the right idea. Male voices are more heard. So whilst females will obvously do the same, males need to stand up and be counted on this issue, and not let mysoginy go unchallenged any more. (obviously speaking in a wider sense, not on an individual level as some men clearly DO currently stand up to this ****)

Its went on in hollywood for ages, since it was built even...this wienstien thing may just shake it up and to its core...these music producers next....but the lawmakers..the real issue. The real abusers of power.

You have to cut of the head to feed the chickens..or suumfing.

If we cant stop powerfull people abusing children how can we stop this?.....protest...by the common family in numbers...