[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

that is not the issue here at all, as usual there is a defence mechanism that kicks in if anything negative is said about Muslim practices at all, the lengths some people have gone in this thread to defend slitting an animals throat and letting it bleed to death while slating stunning is laughable in all honesty. There is no good way to die but you would hope that an unconscious animal feels less pain than one hung upside down and left to bleed to death, nothing to do with religion just common sense.

But...its been proven this is false? And that slitting the throat causes less pain than stunning and bolting

And most people who have ever seriously cut themselves will know that you feel pretty much no pain for a fair while (serious cuts, not papercuts which hurt like a mother****er immediately). So I don't see why this would actually be different for animals

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But...its been proven this is false? And that slitting the throat causes less pain than stunning and bolting

proof can be offered up for just about anything these days it just makes me smile that people who will pour scorn on most religious practices will single one or two out and big them up, how does that work?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

proof can be offered up for just about anything these days

Us British folks has had enough of experts!

it just makes me smile that people who will pour scorn on most religious practices will single one or two out and big them up, how does that work?

It "works" because it has nothing to do with religion, other than people trying to take the moral high ground by claiming that western slaughter techniques are nice, happy slaughter techniques in order to (presumably...) suggest that "those other folks" are "cruel and barbaric" and don't even care about the feelings of the animals that they are about to skin and consume.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

proof can be offered up for just about anything these days it just makes me smile that people who will pour scorn on most religious practices will single one or two out and big them up, how does that work?

OK...if you can find a proper study that says stunning actually anesthetizes animals so they don't feel pain, and causes less pain than cutting the throat, please let me know and I will change my stance on this. Though I still put more stock in living conditions than way of death tbh.

I don't do religion, at all. And have criticized elements of the Muslim faith a few times. I have issues with near every religion tbh, in some way. I just really don't see why people get so up in arms about Halal slaughter. I notice even on this thread its been all about Halal, not much mention of Kosher slaughter...which is actually exactly the same. And you know the reason for cutting the throat in Kosher slaughter? Because its the method that makes the animal feel the least pain.

Basically the negative focus on anything Muslim is far more prominent than people blindly defending Muslims..of which I haven't actually seen. I have seen reasoned arguments against certain criticisms. I don;t think theres even a single member that agrees with every aspect of the Muslim faith. I think theres a few members who disagree with Muslims in general and will find any reason to be negative and blame them for all the worlds ills though sadly. To prove my point, I am tempted to make a thread about how Muslim men (as a class, not on an individual level. Not all Muslim men are like that disclaimer) treat women...and see how many people leap in to defend the Muslim men. Can't imagine there would be many.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK...if you can find a proper study that says stunning actually anesthetizes animals so they don't feel pain, and causes less pain than cutting the throat, please let me know and I will change my stance on this. Though I still put more stock in living conditions than way of death tbh.

I don't do religion, at all. And have criticized elements of the Muslim faith a few times. I have issues with near every religion tbh, in some way. I just really don't see why people get so up in arms about Halal slaughter. I notice even on this thread its been all about Halal, not much mention of Kosher slaughter...which is actually exactly the same. And you know the reason for cutting the throat in Kosher slaughter? Because its the method that makes the animal feel the least pain.

Basically the negative focus on anything Muslim is far more prominent than people blindly defending Muslims..of which I haven't actually seen. I have seen reasoned arguments against certain criticisms. I don;t think theres even a single member that agrees with every aspect of the Muslim faith. I think theres a few members who disagree with Muslims in general and will find any reason to be negative and blame them for all the worlds ills though sadly. To prove my point, I am tempted to make a thread about how Muslim men (as a class, not on an individual level. Not all Muslim men are like that disclaimer) treat women...and see how many people leap in to defend the Muslim men. Can't imagine there would be many.

Kosher slaughter has been mentioned a couple of times as well on this thread. And there have been some snide remarks as well but sadly we seem to have to put up with that every time Islam comes up in any context. Not from you.

I don't particularly care what group it is personally I just want the least possible suffering for the Animal. I do eat meat but it's mostly organic chicken these days as the animal welfare and slaughter bothers me a great deal. I love bacon but I don't think my craving it is worth the life of some poor pig really. So I don't eat it often.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I love bacon but I don't think my craving it is worth the life of some poor pig really. So I don't eat it often.

Even not often is sometimes. So when you eat bacon sometimes do you just give in to your craving?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Even not often is sometimes. So when you eat bacon sometimes do you just give in to your craving?

No there are times when eating out that it will be part of a meal and I've eaten it occasionally. Sometimes the flesh is weak. I'm not a vegetarian but as I get older I eat meat less and less. Is there some special reason to know more about my dietry habits? Or just curious?

Even the cats or the local foxes test your conscience because if they get hold of a bird or mouse the animal literally screams. Even the frog that lives in my garden and has escaped cat clutches many times screams when they get a hold of it. Not nice.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

proof can be offered up for just about anything these days it just makes me smile that people who will pour scorn on most religious practices will single one or two out and big them up, how does that work?

This is a post on meat eating in general from another thread that had nothing to do with any religions, this is just my opinion on meat eating in general nothing to do with backing Muslims, I think it's awful regardless

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...3&postcount=43