[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He has been found guilty sentencing tomorrow

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

Hope he gets battered senseless in prison,he better be going to prison with a lengthy sentence.

[jaxie]

Children do have accidents but I am mystified as to why the broken leg didn't flag social workers to look more closely at this couple. It's not that easy to break a leg and particularly a toddler who should be supervised. Better to be looking more vigilantly at the couple than for a worse outcome. Poor little girl.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Children do have accidents but I am mystified as to why the broken leg didn't flag social workers to look more closely at this couple. It's not that easy to break a leg and particularly a toddler who should be supervised. Better to be looking more vigilantly at the couple than for a worse outcome. Poor little girl.

I don't understand this case at all, did he just go along with the adoption to please his partner or did he have a rosy idealised view of parenthood

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't understand this case at all, did he just go along with the adoption to please his partner or did he have a rosy idealised view of parenthood

Yeah it's odd, he seemed to be the main carer for the child as well. I feel sorry for the biological parents aswell, probably thinking they were giving their child a better chance at life

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah it's odd, he seemed to be the main carer for the child as well. I feel sorry for the biological parents aswell, probably thinking they were giving their child a better chance at life

the opinion of the court is that he was intentional in his abuse, not just losing his rag

[Beso]

Minimum of 18 yrs...rot in hell.

[smudgie]

Thank goodness he has been jailed.

[lewis111]

Not enough though IMO
Whilst obviosly all murder is evil, If someone went through all that just for the intent of violently killing an innocent baby they aren't fit to ever be back out in public for life - wether that for punishment towards them or the safety of others

[DemolitionRed]

This is a case where life should mean life.

[UserSince2005]

Dirty bastard will ****ing love prison, he needs the death sentence.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah it's odd, he seemed to be the main carer for the child as well. I feel sorry for the biological parents aswell, probably thinking they were giving their child a better chance at life

http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/07/murder...amily-7061625/

Very sad,

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Minimum of 18 yrs...rot in hell.

Should have been life imo,but yes hope he rots after he has been beaten a few times

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Should have been life imo,but yes hope he rots after he has been beaten a few times

Should be chucking these health workers in beside the ****er.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/07/murder...amily-7061625/

Very sad,

Oh god, so sad

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh god, so sad

It could have been quite a different outcome for that poor little girl if they had not been so quick to decide the grandmother would not be able to cope. The daughter also may have changed with time and some growing up, people do all the time. I thought the SS were supposed to do everything they could to keep families together. It doesn’t sound to me as though they tried that hard.

And not to tell them about her death for months is criminal.

The whole thing needs to be investigated in my opinion.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It could have been quite a different outcome for that poor little girl if they had not been so quick to decide the grandmother would not be able to cope. The daughter also may have changed with time and some growing up, people do all the time. I thought the SS were supposed to do everything they could to keep families together. It doesn’t sound to me as though they tried that hard.

And not to tell them about her death for months is criminal.

The whole thing needs to be investigated in my opinion.

Yeah I would have thought that they'd allow the grandmother to raise as No1 choice but maybe she really wasn't able? It's just very sad

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I would have thought that they'd allow the grandmother to raise as No1 choice but maybe she really wasn't able? It's just very sad

They didn't even try though, surely if a family member is willing to take a child they should make every effort to support the family member with regular visits or something.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They didn't even try though, surely if a family member is willing to take a child they should make every effort to support the family member with regular visits or something.

It's hard to say without the full story, but given the circumstances under which she was removed, the fact that she had health issues at birth, and the grandmother's description of a "chaotic lifestyle" its highly likely that the mother was / is a drug addict and was actively taking drugs whilst pregnant. And whilst you can't necessarily make assumptions from that - it is also true to say that addicts often come from troubled families with addiction issues going back a few generations... And if they chose not to allow the grandmother to keep the child citing that she wouldnt be able to cope, I wouldnt be surprised if this was because of drug or alcohol issues concerning the grandmother.

Obviously the poor child didn't end up in any better of a situation and her adoption ended in tragedy, but I wouldn't be so quick to assume that her removal in the first place was in error or the wrong choice in anything but hindsight.

People PUT babies up for adoption for all sorts of reasons... But when a baby is forcibly removed from biological family and put up for adoption, there will be very good reasons for it. Either that or we're not hearing the full story, and the mother made the decision to put her child up for adoption and didn't want her mother to take it.

[Niamh.]

Yeah i have to agree with TS there. I always thought that they went to great lengths to try and keep babies/kids with their biological families. Infact alot of kids probably end up in bad situations because of that too or they end up spending their whole lives in foster homes rather than be adopted because Social Services won't permanently take the kids away