[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But they are not a woman, regardless of what they think they are.

I think they mainly want in with the women as they know a female prison is likely to be safer and 'easier', and in some cases for access to more victims tbh. British Association of Gender Identity Specialists agree with me too it seems. Cocnerns have already been raised on this issue.

https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/...sex-offenders/

Full PDF here - http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevi...tten/19532.pdf

Basically the only way to keep everyone as safe as possible, is to segregate the 'transwomen' who feel they should be in with the women for safety reasons. This keeps them safe, and also does not make the women unsafe.

I'm just replying to your first sentence because that's the bit that jumped out at me. Remember when, in that article, mums therapist called Jessie 'he' and mum said it felt like she'd just been kicked in the stomach? Don't you think that's what transgenders feel every time someone insists on using 'he' instead of 'she'?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

That's a really good point. The fear of gay men being around children being a cause to expect safety issues of gay men being around children. I'm sure many people really did (and some still do) believe that those expectations were totally founded based on news reports and legitimate sources etc. And not even pedophilia but the fear that children might become gay if exposed to or influenced by gay people.
A family friend of mine who's now in his late 60s is gay and when he was in his 20s his best friend at the time had a baby, and although they remained friends he was never allowed to see the child just because he was gay. Seems unbelievable something like that happening now. That they'd remain close friends but it was just a normal thing for him that his friend wouldn't let him around his kid. And I'm sure his friend only had the best interests and the safety of his child in mind (however ****ed up his logic actually was).

Gay people really did suffer. Thank goodness we don't live in that world anymore!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I read the link and I agree, there is a cult out there and perhaps because its now so easy to be whatever sex you like, kids are getting confused.

The bit that jumped out at me is when mum said to Jessie, “Do you think Beth really sees you as a boy?” which clearly threw Jessie.

There are plenty of masculine lesbians looking for more feminine lesbians. Of course, those feminine lesbians wouldn't be interested if their masculine looking girlfriend had a sex change or even declared herself to be male. There was clearly some massive confussion but that one question mum asked was the turning point for Jessie. I found that part quite emotional... not sure why

We do though, have to accept that there are some very genuine transgenders and there are people who get caught up in this 'fetish' style cult. For the genuine ones, we surely need to show some understanding and acceptance and I'm not talking about those driving the wheels of activism but those, like my friends son who has just married his pansexual boyfriend and who appears to be happy, at last. I honestly think the genuine ones just want a quite life and it would be a great shame if we ended up tarring them all with the same brush.

Of course there are genuine transsexuals (sorry I refuse to use transgender, given how near every person on earth comes under the 'umbrella' and that I don't think anyone who does not have sex dysphoria is 'trans') and these people need support and understanding. I just feel there is a huge social contagion going on right now. And that giving kids 'puberty blockers' is really really wrong. As is basically telling children who do not conform to sex stereotypes that this means they actually are the opposite sex. There is also an extremely homophobic undertone to it all. That loads of people seem willing to overlook.

I don't think blockers should even be legal, tbh. I don't know how they are, especially given how little research has gone into it all...and I especially do not see how groups such as mermaids are allowed to keep peddling this lie that they are harmless and its just 'to give people time' and they are fully revesrible. When all evidence shows that its NOT to give people time at all as once on them, noone changes their minds. When not on them, the majority change their minds. They are reversible in theory, but clearly not in practice

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

what do you mean 'became quite boyish?' Started being more stereotypically masculine?

I would say there is a fairly large chance that this person is just a butch lesbian. Possibly with internalized homophobia. better to be a strsight man than a gay women.

Maybe they actually are trans. But so often it all comes down to stereotypes, its quite scary.

Obviously this is quite personal, but did this person actually have sex dysphoria? And how long ago was this? Without adding identifying info is it possible to tell us how this ended up Sorry for all of the questions.

The topic just fascinates me and horrifies me in equal measure. Partly because I am near certain if I had been born 20 years later than I was, I would be a 'transkid' today as I was totally gender non-conforming (still am) and if I was told there was a way to stop puberty, I would have taken it like a shot tbh. I would now be sterile. And an imitation of a man, which I know I would not be happy with at all. And theres no way for anyone to go back on the decision, if puberty is blocked then cross sex hormones start after this. I find it amazing that we let kids as young as 10 (or younger in some cases) make this huge decision that will affect them for the rest of their lives. And that any parent who protests is branded transphobic

He was never a lesbian. He has married a pansexual man. Before the transition he was diagnosed as bi-polar. Since his transition that diagnosis has been removed.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

He was never a lesbian. He has married a pansexual man. Before the transition he was diagnosed as bi-polar. Since his transition that diagnosis has been removed.

Ah right. Seems transition was actually the right choice for him then. For some it is. I just really don't think 'transition' should be hailed the wonder treatment, when its really not. And the suicide stats peddled relentlessly...well major studies done ionto this actually show that post-transition, the suicide rate of trans people rises to even higher than it ever was before transition :S

Definitely an area that needs to be looked into more, and different treatments considered rather than being branded 'transphobic'. I find it extremely odd how transactivists like to bury the fact that there are a lot of detransitioners, and try to block any studies into detransitioners too. when obviously, the more is understood about this illness, the better. Like all illnesses tbh.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course there are genuine transsexuals (sorry I refuse to use transgender, given how near every person on earth comes under the 'umbrella' and that I don't think anyone who does not have sex dysphoria is 'trans') and these people need support and understanding. I just feel there is a huge social contagion going on right now. And that giving kids 'puberty blockers' is really really wrong. As is basically telling children who do not conform to sex stereotypes that this means they actually are the opposite sex. There is also an extremely homophobic undertone to it all. That loads of people seem willing to overlook.

I don't think blockers should even be legal, tbh. I don't know how they are, especially given how little research has gone into it all...and I especially do not see how groups such as mermaids are allowed to keep peddling this lie that they are harmless and its just 'to give people time' and they are fully revesrible. When all evidence shows that its NOT to give people time at all as once on them, noone changes their minds. When not on them, the majority change their minds. They are reversible in theory, but clearly not in practice

I don't think blockers should be legal either. Initially they sounded like a good thing but I did read your links and I'm with you on this.
I'm not sure about the homophobic undertone, can you explain that a bit more? Oh hang on, I think the penny just dropped! You mean, a trans man (for example) doesn't feel he's a lesbian when he dates women?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ah right. Seems transition was actually the right choice for him then. For some it is. I just really don't think 'transition' should be hailed the wonder treatment, when its really not. And the suicide stats peddled relentlessly...well major studies done ionto this actually show that post-transition, the suicide rate of trans people rises to even higher than it ever was before transition :S

Definitely an area that needs to be looked into more, and different treatments considered rather than being branded 'transphobic'. I find it extremely odd how transactivists like to bury the fact that there are a lot of detransitioners, and try to block any studies into detransitioners too. when obviously, the more is understood about this illness, the better. Like all illnesses tbh.

But that could be from lack of acceptance in society? I mean, come on, lots of People snigger when they see a trans female in Asda.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I don't think blockers should be legal either. Initially they sounded like a good thing but I did read your links and I'm with you on this.
I'm not sure about the homophobic undertone, can you explain that a bit more? Oh hang on, I think the penny just dropped! You mean, a trans man (for example) doesn't feel he's a lesbian when he dates women?

You know how if no blockers are used, then 80-95% of gender questioning kids 'grow out of it'? Well the majority of those who grow out of it turn out to be gay. So the rush to use blockers is homophobic, in that its basically gay eugenics.

Also yes, internalized homophobia in transmen who are simply lesbian but feel more accepted as a straight man.

And also (a huge issue at the moment) the amount of 'lesbian' 'transwomen'. Straight males (with intact penises) who say they are lesbians. And yell 'transphobe' at any lesbian who says they don't shag male people. I actually thought this was just an internet phenomenon until I 'came out' as gender critical to friends...and every one of my lesbian friends said they had came up against this in real life, in the past year or so. Never before this, but very often recently.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

But that could be from lack of acceptance in society? I mean, come on, lots of People snigger when they see a trans female in Asda.

Could be. But surely, before any transition the same lack of acceptance was there? So makes no sense how the suicide rate rises after transition.

But either way it is another thing that needs looked into thoroughly IMO.

We will never understand it, if all studies and such are blocked because 'transphobia'. It is not transphobic to want to understand something more, the causes, the cures, the symptoms, the lot.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You know how if no blockers are used, then 80-95% of gender questioning kids 'grow out of it'? Well the majority of those who grow out of it turn out to be gay. So the rush to use blockers is homophobic, in that its basically gay eugenics.

Also yes, internalized homophobia in transmen who are simply lesbian but feel more accepted as a straight man.

And also (a huge issue at the moment) the amount of 'lesbian' 'transwomen'. Straight males (with intact penises) who say they are lesbians. And yell 'transphobe' at any lesbian who says they don't shag male people. I actually thought this was just an internet phenomenon until I 'came out' as gender critical to friends...and every one of my lesbian friends said they had came up against this in real life, in the past year or so. Never before this, but very often recently.

The transwomen who come on to lesbians are more than ridiculous. They are living in a delusional world and need to go and have a word with themselves.

Vicky, I agree this is a recent phenomenon and clearly a problem. I don't dispute for a second (after reading your links) that there is a disturbing cult going on and because our children have internet access, getting pulled into such cults is a concern all parents should have. I also think we need to separate environmental influences from genetic ones.

Intersex states aren't always visible. When I was doing my nursing training, I did my stint on the gynae ward. A young woman had been brought in because she had a closed vagina and needed to be sedated and examined properly. It turned out she was a full hermaphrodite with no visible external signs. She'd obviously been raised as a girl but she was a lesbian and she was very butch.

We still know so little about how the brain works. I mean, we know gayness isn't just a sexual thing but we don't really know why one child will grow up to be gay when all his/her siblings are straight. We don't know why some women who grow up in happy families decide to have early hysterectomies as birth control and we don't know why some people 'really' do want to change their gender and live very happy lives once they have.

[Vicky.]

I genuinely do not get why intersex is always brought up in conversations about transgender. They are nothing to do with each other. Also a LOT of intersex support organizations and intersex people have requested that transactivists stop trying to conflate the two to make out that 'trans' is a kind of 'intersex'. Which it is not. But transactivists continue (so maybe this is why its often brought up in conversations about 'transgender', the purposeful blurring of lines by the people controlling the narrative..). Like they keep making out that the existence of intersex disorders mean that there is a 'spectrum' of sexes. Which is clearly silly.

Heres one of the statements of such groups (androgen insensitivity is very often brought up by transactivists) .. http://www.aissg.org/21_OVERVIEW.HTM#Terminology

And the shoddy behaviour of 'GIRES' trying to link trans and intersex - http://www.aissg.org/15_ANNOUNCE.HTM#14%20May%202000


True we still know relatively little about the brain. I find neuroscience amazing tbh. Like how a brain scan can tell you if a person is anorexic. And also how a taxidrivers brain shows up different to a non-taxi driver...because of the brains plasticity. Apparently your brain actually changes based on your own experiences... Fully prepared for if the day comes that science can tell us true pink and blue brains do exist, I will accept it if proven, obviously. I really doubt that will happen though tbh. Much more likely is neuroscientists being able to tell if someone actually has sex dysphoria from a brain scan (much like they can tell anorexics and various mental illnesses for example) rather than them actually having the brain of the opposite sex

[Vicky.]

For anyone interested in the original thread topic ( ) I mentioned in the OP that Lily had been part of a bullying campaign against woman in the same post, before lily got the womens officer job himself (in another CLP)

The woman who had to resign because of the bullying from Lily and another male, was Anne Ruzylo. She was accused of transphobia. For caring about females, in this whole ****storm

Here is a speech she recently did on this issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhma9kbQKXk

Spoiler:

Other women who spoke included Helen Steel (McLibel/spycops case, if the names familiar with you) whos speech is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9sGJOKmoIg&app=desktop
And Linda Bellos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec0mG6B6b9M

Those vids are like nearly an hour of youtube watching though, doubt anyone will watch it all. I seem the only one quite so obsessed with the topic on here, but a hell of a lot of decent points are made in them