[Tom4784]

It was okay, the performances were great, the dialogue was decent and the issues were well handled but the overall plot was riddled with tropes and I thought it covered territory too well traversed in Daredevil S2. The first half of the season was quite boring too.

Spoiler:

Russo might had potential to be a good villain but his heel turn was obvious from his first scene and they made his motivations far too weak to care, the other villain was as generic as can be.

The best two episodes were the ones when they were dealing with the terrorist, everything else felt like a replay of Punisher's arc in Daredevil. The side characters were mostly forgettable and the Hacker's family were painfully cliched (right down to the arsehole kid who sells the hero out).

Overall I'd say it's better than Iron Fist but weaker than the other Marvel Netflix shows. It had the talent but the story was too hackneyed and boring in parts.

Jessica Jones remains the best Marvel Netflix show and it's not even close.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It was okay, the performances were great, the dialogue was decent and the issues were well handled but the overall plot was riddled with tropes and I thought it covered territory too well traversed in Daredevil S2. The first half of the season was quite boring too.

Spoiler:

Russo might had potential to be a good villain but his heel turn was obvious from his first scene and they made his motivations far too weak to care, the other villain was as generic as can be.

The best two episodes were the ones when they were dealing with the terrorist, everything else felt like a replay of Punisher's arc in Daredevil. The side characters were mostly forgettable and the Hacker's family were painfully cliched (right down to the arsehole kid who sells the hero out).

Overall I'd say it's better than Iron Fist but weaker than the other Marvel Netflix shows. It had the talent but the story was too hackneyed and boring in parts.

Jessica Jones remains the best Marvel Netflix show and it's not even close.

I dunno, I'd still put it above Cage and DD S2 to be honest... ironically, excluding the Punisher parts of DD S2, which were better than The Punisher.

But I agree about the retreading; it's a bit frustrating really. They sort of had him work through a lot of these issues in DD, only to start Punisher with him working through those exact same issues.

JJ does remain the best written Marvel show for me, with the best villain too, my only real issue with JJ is that her powers are completely inconsistent... they literally change in range and strength from episode to episode. They need to lock down what she actually can and can't do.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

I dunno, I'd still put it above Cage and DD S2 to be honest... ironically, excluding the Punisher parts of DD S2, which were better than The Punisher.

But I agree about the retreading; it's a bit frustrating really. They sort of had him work through a lot of these issues in DD, only to start Punisher with him working through those exact same issues.

JJ does remain the best written Marvel show for me, with the best villain too, my only real issue with JJ is that her powers are completely inconsistent... they literally change in range and strength from episode to episode. They need to lock down what she actually can and can't do.

Punisher had a bad first half and a poor supporting cast, Luke Cage had a bad last half and a good supporting cast. That's what puts Luke Cage ahead of it for me. When it comes to DD season 2, the Hand stuff was woeful but the Punisher arc was great as was Elektra before she became too ingrained with the generic ninjas.

I think inconsistent powers are a problem in a lot of Superhero shows, The Flash can run across the US in a second for pizza but can't dodge a punch to save his life for example. They go all out on big scenes without considering the consistency of scenes where powers are used where the budget is tighter.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think inconsistent powers are a problem in a lot of Superhero shows, The Flash can run across the US in a second for pizza but can't dodge a punch to save his life for example. They go all out on big scenes without considering the consistency of scenes where powers are used where the budget is tighter.

This was actually something that really bugged me in the recent DC crossover arc. Which I do think was generally great but... In the final episode Flash takes on Reverse Flash and, while Flash is now much faster, they're still running about the city and by the looks of them, it would take maybe 5 - 10 seconds to get across the city.

But then...

At the end of the episode, he shoots off to Star City to collect John Diggle and (also overlooking the fact that Diggle's organs would be liquidised by the G's)... He does that also in 5 seconds. Presumably something like a 400 mile round trip . I suppose MAYBE you could argue that most of his time is spent getting up to full speed so he's slower in a chase constantly changing direction, and faster over a long distance in a straight line? But still a stretch.

Same with the film really; flash can catch bullets with time to spare, and yet batman manages to stop him from falling by catching his ankle with a grappling rope? Wut? He wouldn't even be able to see him . WW is a little inconsistent too, given that she deflects bullets with the bracelet things which would mean she needs Flash / Superman-like reflexes and speed, and yet, in normal combat she doesn't have that sort of speed.

However... My main issue with JJ is that the inconsistency is actually a logical one with her powers and... Well... Physics. She has Luke Cage level strength but ZERO protection like the indestructible skin or bone density. Which means, if she hits someone or something at full strength, she would skin her hand and break her own hand and probably arm. I can accept her super jumps because you could argue that she takes the impact of the landing by bending her legs, and the super strength muscles act like suspension... But the impact of a full swing punch? She would be tearing herself apart . I need more info, it impacts my suspension of disbelief! The flash-batman-grapple was the only moment of JL that really did that... It's the same sort of thing. I have plenty of flexibility with what I'll believe but there's a limit