[Tom4784]

We must be better than those we judge in a court of law, I don't see murdering those we find guilty very just.

Murdering someone that's murdered someone else is stupid, backwards and below us. Why should we lower ourselves to support or commit the same acts we condemn people for in the first place?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

We must be better than those we judge in a court of law, I don't see murdering those we find guilty very just.

Murdering someone that's murdered someone else is stupid, backwards and below us. Why should we lower ourselves to support or commit the same acts we condemn people for in the first place?

Would you feel the same if they murdered the person you love most? Their life over for good, and your life probably ruined, and the person that killed them would get about 12 years, three good meals a day, counselling, learning new skills, sky TV, games and other distractions and then get out to carry on with their life which could last for many more years while your loved one lies rotting.
I think life should MEAN life, if CP isn't carried out.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Would you feel the same if they murdered the person you love most? Their life over for good, and your life probably ruined, and the person that killed them would get about 12 years, three good meals a day, counselling, learning new skills, sky TV, games and other distractions and then get out to carry on with their life which could last for many more years while your loved one lies rotting.
I think life should MEAN life, if CP isn't carried out.

Well that's neither here nor there.

There's a reason a jury isn't made up of people emotionally invested in the crime that was committed.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

Well that's neither here nor there.

There's a reason a jury isn't made up of people emotionally invested in the crime that was committed.

Oh I didn't realise this thread was only limited to the jury's perspective.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Oh I didn't realise this thread was only limited to the jury's perspective.

We're discussing capital punishment so how someone is found guilty of a crime in a court of law comes into the discussion. Obviously.

An emotional reaction to the loss of a loved one has bugger all to do with it. We'd all love to grab hold of whoever has hurt a loved one and punish them severely, but is that frame of mind really the one we should be in when making such huge decisions about whether to end a hell of a lot of lives?

Serious question, if all you have for me is rolled eyes don't bother.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Would you feel the same if they murdered the person you love most? Their life over for good, and your life probably ruined, and the person that killed them would get about 12 years, three good meals a day, counselling, learning new skills, sky TV, games and other distractions and then get out to carry on with their life which could last for many more years while your loved one lies rotting.
I think life should MEAN life, if CP isn't carried out.

You've tried this argument with me before, it didn't work then and it won't work now. You don't know my life and I don't need to cheapen my life experiences just to prove a point.

Like Marsh said, Juries aren't comprised of people with an emotional connection to a crime and this is a topic about the law so emotion should not come into it.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You've tried this argument with me before, it didn't work then and it won't work now. You don't know my life and I don't need to cheapen my life experiences just to prove a point.

Like Marsh said, Juries aren't comprised of people with an emotional connection to a crime and this is a topic about the law so emotion should not come into it.

Emotion shouldn't come into a topic about capital punishment?!!!
It isn't a topic just about the law, it's a topic about how we FEEL about the bringing back of CP. I seen nothing in the opening post that said the thread had to be viewed only from a point of view of the law.
Deflection is your speciality though, as always.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Emotion shouldn't come into a topic about capital punishment?!!!
It isn't a topic just about the law, it's a topic about how we FEEL about the bringing back of CP. I seen nothing in the opening post that said the thread had to be viewed only from a point of view of the law.
Deflection is your speciality though, as always.

It's not deflection.

Asking him how he'd feel about a loved one being murdered is completely irrelevant and isn't something that should come into the decision making process when it comes to capital punishment. That's just obvious.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

It's not deflection.

Asking him how he'd feel about a loved one being murdered is completely irrelevant and isn't something that should come into the decision making process when it comes to capital punishment. That's just obvious.

More deflection of a perfectly legitimate question, as nowhere in the initial post did it say it had to be viewed from the perspective of the law only. Perhaps you can explain to me why you think it did?

I have the answer to my original question anyway, deflection always gives people away.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

More deflection of a perfectly legitimate question, as nowhere in the initial post did it say it had to be viewed from the perspective of the law only. Perhaps you can explain to me why you think it did?

I have the answer to my original question anyway, deflection always gives people away.

What's the OP got to do with it? He was discussing whether he believes capital punishment should be brought back and said he doesn't.

Whether or not he'd feel differently should a close loved one be murdered is completely irrelevant as that's not a state of mind anyone can make such a big decision rationally.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Emotion shouldn't come into a topic about capital punishment?!!!
It isn't a topic just about the law, it's a topic about how we FEEL about the bringing back of CP. I seen nothing in the opening post that said the thread had to be viewed only from a point of view of the law.
Deflection is your speciality though, as always.

When we're talking about the court process and issues of Law then yes, I don't think emotion should come into it since our court system is dependant on logic and evidence and it's not logical to murder a murderer and think it's just or okay to commit an act you have condemned someone else for doing.

Death is death, it's nothingness, people don't suffer in death. They don't feel anything. I'd rather people face up to what they've done in prison and be made to live with the consequences of their choices.

As for the bolded line, I don't see the relevance, I think you are just trying to downplay my argument without actually arguing against anything I've said. I never said that the topic could only be discussed from a logical angle, just that I believe it shouldn't be. You have confused my opinion for me trying to state a fact and I forgive you for that.

Your last line is just a cheap shot that doesn't really make sense considering your entire argument against me is a deflection on my original post in favour of what is essentially emotional manipulation in which you are trying to force me to change my views based on a flawed emotional aspect instead of doing me the decency of arguing against what I've said from a logical perspective.

If you are going to insult me then there's nothing more to say, if you wish to continue this discussion like adults then go ahead.