[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You've tried this argument with me before, it didn't work then and it won't work now. You don't know my life and I don't need to cheapen my life experiences just to prove a point.

Like Marsh said, Juries aren't comprised of people with an emotional connection to a crime and this is a topic about the law so emotion should not come into it.

Emotion shouldn't come into a topic about capital punishment?!!!
It isn't a topic just about the law, it's a topic about how we FEEL about the bringing back of CP. I seen nothing in the opening post that said the thread had to be viewed only from a point of view of the law.
Deflection is your speciality though, as always.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Emotion shouldn't come into a topic about capital punishment?!!!
It isn't a topic just about the law, it's a topic about how we FEEL about the bringing back of CP. I seen nothing in the opening post that said the thread had to be viewed only from a point of view of the law.
Deflection is your speciality though, as always.

It's not deflection.

Asking him how he'd feel about a loved one being murdered is completely irrelevant and isn't something that should come into the decision making process when it comes to capital punishment. That's just obvious.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

It's not deflection.

Asking him how he'd feel about a loved one being murdered is completely irrelevant and isn't something that should come into the decision making process when it comes to capital punishment. That's just obvious.

More deflection of a perfectly legitimate question, as nowhere in the initial post did it say it had to be viewed from the perspective of the law only. Perhaps you can explain to me why you think it did?

I have the answer to my original question anyway, deflection always gives people away.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

More deflection of a perfectly legitimate question, as nowhere in the initial post did it say it had to be viewed from the perspective of the law only. Perhaps you can explain to me why you think it did?

I have the answer to my original question anyway, deflection always gives people away.

What's the OP got to do with it? He was discussing whether he believes capital punishment should be brought back and said he doesn't.

Whether or not he'd feel differently should a close loved one be murdered is completely irrelevant as that's not a state of mind anyone can make such a big decision rationally.

[jet]

I asked a simple question: would you feel the same if someone you loved was the one that was murdered? It's something that intrigues me when people say they are so against CP. No need for all the faffing about, deflection and manipulation talk, just give a straight answer or ignore if you wish...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

I asked a simple question: would you feel the same if someone you loved was the one that was murdered? It's something that intrigues me when people say they are so against CP. No need for all the faffing about, deflection and manipulation talk, just give a straight answer or ignore if you wish...

But even if they passionately wanted death to the person who murdered their loved one, it's neither here nor there because Dezzy also said he believes there's no room for emotion in a court of law so therefore his stance would remain.

Now you can process that and understand it or continue to ignore it if you wish.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

But even if they passionately wanted death to the person who murdered their loved one, it's neither here nor there because Dezzy also said he believes there's no room for emotion in a court of law so therefore his stance would remain.

Now you can process that and understand it or continue to ignore it if you wish.

You keep referring to a court of law, WHY? I'm referring to a persons own feelings, how many times do I have to say it.
So they can passionately want death for revenge for their loved one, but not for someone else's loved one? They only want CP when it is personal to them?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

I asked a simple question: would you feel the same if someone you loved was the one that was murdered? It's something that intrigues me when people say they are so against CP. No need for all the faffing about, deflection and manipulation talk, just give a straight answer or ignore if you wish...

It's a question that has no relevance because I've already said I don't want to cheapen my personal experiences for the sake of an argument and I thought you would have respected that like a decent person would.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a question that has no relevance because I've already said I don't want to cheapen my personal experiences for the sake of an argument and I thought you would have respected that like a decent person would.

I missed that, so okay, I do respect that. Consider the subject closed.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Emotion shouldn't come into a topic about capital punishment?!!!
It isn't a topic just about the law, it's a topic about how we FEEL about the bringing back of CP. I seen nothing in the opening post that said the thread had to be viewed only from a point of view of the law.
Deflection is your speciality though, as always.

When we're talking about the court process and issues of Law then yes, I don't think emotion should come into it since our court system is dependant on logic and evidence and it's not logical to murder a murderer and think it's just or okay to commit an act you have condemned someone else for doing.

Death is death, it's nothingness, people don't suffer in death. They don't feel anything. I'd rather people face up to what they've done in prison and be made to live with the consequences of their choices.

As for the bolded line, I don't see the relevance, I think you are just trying to downplay my argument without actually arguing against anything I've said. I never said that the topic could only be discussed from a logical angle, just that I believe it shouldn't be. You have confused my opinion for me trying to state a fact and I forgive you for that.

Your last line is just a cheap shot that doesn't really make sense considering your entire argument against me is a deflection on my original post in favour of what is essentially emotional manipulation in which you are trying to force me to change my views based on a flawed emotional aspect instead of doing me the decency of arguing against what I've said from a logical perspective.

If you are going to insult me then there's nothing more to say, if you wish to continue this discussion like adults then go ahead.