[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

The Doctor becoming a female is just a pathetic act that Chris Chibnall chose because of the horrific and stupid political correctness of today.

The amount of stuff said such as women's versions of certain films like the Ghostbusters film. There wasn't any need for it.
Women saying they'd like to play James Bond. Why? It's a male like the Doctor.

It's all pathetic nonsense and one argument is that there aren't enough female role models.
If people open their eyes and look, they'll find plenty of female role models.

What's so politically correct about a man turning into a woman....

[MB.]

I'd like all the men in BBUK-Fan's sig to turn into women

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

It's not part of the character.

... How? What part of the Doctor has been about him being a 'man' in terms of character and personality?

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

And I'd like you to piss off

Typical Shaun Williamson stan

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

It's not part of the character.

By that logic, regeneration itself isn't part of the character, as it was only written in when William Hartnell got too old and couldn't be arsed to carry on

Similarly, the seventh Doctor couldn't possibly have had a Scottish accent, because up to that point the Doctor had an English accent. It's just not part of the character!

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

How long have you watched the show?

Over ten years. Answer my question

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

The typical resorting to personal things now. Had to get personal didn't you

Report meh, Report meh!
Not even going to go into how you just attacked MB nor how you've attacked other forum members

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

Don't tell me what to do. I don't understand what your question is because I don't speak bull****

But you said "The Doctor becoming a female is just a pathetic act that Chris Chibnall chose because of the horrific and stupid political correctness of today." you clearly speak bull**** babes

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

Not really. The Doctor has been a male since the show began and if you thought back 10 or maybe earlier than that, people wouldn't speculate the Doctor to become a female. It's only because in present day of politics like correctness that the Doctor became a female. Chris Chibnall made the decision but if it was 10 years ago or earlier, I can say he wouldn't have made that decision

That's a lengthy way of saying you didn't read the bit where Lilbro posted that Sydney Newman wanted a woman in the role in the 1980s

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

Not really. The Doctor has been a male since the show began and if you thought back 10 or maybe earlier than that, people wouldn't speculate the Doctor to become a female. It's only because in present day of politics like correctness that the Doctor became a female. Chris Chibnall made the decision but if it was 10 years ago or earlier, I can say he wouldn't have made that decision

... Except the source I linked to states that people theorised on the next Doctor being a woman and even thought of viable actresses - and not just the general public, but 'father of Doctor Who' himself, Sydney Newman. So yes, 'earlier' people would have speculated the idea.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Bah HuMBug

That's a lengthy way of saying you didn't read the bit where Lilbro posted that Sydney Newman wanted a woman in the role in the 1980s

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

The Doctor becoming a female is just a pathetic act that Chris Chibnall chose because of the horrific and stupid political correctness of today.

The amount of stuff said such as women's versions of certain films like the Ghostbusters film. There wasn't any need for it.
Women saying they'd like to play James Bond. Why? It's a male like the Doctor.

It's all pathetic nonsense and one argument is that there aren't enough female role models.
If people open their eyes and look, they'll find plenty of female role models.

And so a third female steps forward in addition to the two I reference. It is privacy and related issues I can not discuss in an open forum that prevent me from identifying the two females I was quoting. (One of whom I did not expect to have such a view)

I am pointing out, it was not just certain male fans objecting to this, but female fans as well, who were most vociferous and vowed never to watch Doctor Who ever again.

With such a negative reaction has the new guy at the top made an error of judgement for the sake of what is seen as being political correctness and alienated a sizeable part of the fan base.

I have said I will look in on it, if I were part of the ranks I quote, I would not be even doing that.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

And so a third female steps forward in addition to the two I reference. It is privacy and related issues I can not discuss in an open forum that prevent me from identifying the two females I was quoting. (One of whom I did not expect to have such a view)

I am pointing out, it was not just certain male fans objecting to this, but female fans as well, who were most vociferous and vowed never to watch Doctor Who ever again.

With such a negative reaction has the new guy at the top made an error of judgement for the sake of what is seen as being political correctness and alienated a sizeable part of the fan base.

I have said I will look in on it, if I were part of the ranks I quote, I would not be even doing that.

I'm very confused by this entire comment but if you're under the illusion James is the '3rd woman', I'm afraid to tell you he's a dude.
The most recent Doctor Who episode was watched by 5.7 million people in the UK - I don't know if that counts the ones who watched on Catchup or iPlayer, but it certainly doesn't count the massive fanbase in America.

Anyway, since the only statistic you've gave me are three women who vow to not watch the show again, and I have the average 5,700,000 viewers of the Christmas special (arguably a good reflection of the audience, I'd imagine, since this is the first episode since the 13th Doctor reveal), then Doctor Who is about to lose 0.00005263157685% of its viewers - which is, ironically, the cumulative percentage of ****s the Doctor Who fanbase give about the Doctor being a woman.

Until you can find a viable source that suggests a 'sizeable' amount of people have been alienated by a choice that fits canon and Newman's wishes over three decades ago, I'm led to believe that your argument is baseless.

When have people complained that they would jump ship and stop watching Doctor Who due to a change of Doctor in a similar scenario to this? The 11th Doctor's regeneration comes to mind. Did people jump ship when the Doctor was no longer the youthful, 'attractive' type (when Smith changed to Capaldi)? Evidently, no. Excluding the specials (because if you look down the episodes, the specials ALWAYS rank a lot higher), series 8, which starred Capaldi, had a higher average ratings (7.26 million), than series 7, which starred Smith (6.94 million). These numbers of course exclude the specials as they're drastically more viewed.
This shows that, even when a lot of people seem to state they'll jump ship, they don't. What's the explanation for the increase then? No idea, maybe the people who were close minded to not accept an older doctor than usual (well, in this time of Doctor Who) tuned in to the first episode and realised Capaldi is an amazing actor and didn't affect the character of the Doctor despite being different to what they're used to, so they stuck. Who knows though.

So if history is to repeat, I imagine the viewing figures will only increase, because people will get over their stupid idea that the Doctor has to be a man by realising Jodie Whittaker is a fabulous actress who will do the Doctor justice by playing them for what they are. Plus I'd imagine Broadchurch fans will join in on the fun, and people who disliked Moffatt so much they stopped watching Doctor Who, and the five people who stopped watching because of Capaldi will no doubt give Series 11 a chance.

[Ashley.]

The James Bond comparisons are frankly hilarious.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Ashsleigh

The James Bond comparisons are frankly hilarious.

and stupid! and i really don't get how you can compare them since it's not the same :s bond is a male and correct me if i'm wrong he is identified as a male where the Doctor isn't even human, they are an alien with no actual gender. The doctor can be any gender and any colour etc

[Sticks]

There was a statistic that for every letter published supporting a specific argument, there are quite a lot more who feel the same way, but remain silent. Am not sure the precise number, maybe 5000,so the number of women objecting could be higher than what is seen.

Again the observation is that a chunk of those objecting to this move have been women, which is counter intuitive to what you expect from this age of equal rights.

[Firewire]

Get over it

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

There was a statistic that for every letter published supporting a specific argument, there are quite a lot more who feel the same way, but remain silent. Am not sure the precise number, maybe 5000,so the number of women objecting could be higher than what is seen.

Again the observation is that a chunk of those objecting to this move have been women, which is counter intuitive to what you expect from this age of equal rights.

So your counter argument is "5,000 women (sourceless) are against it"

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

The Doctor becoming a female is just a pathetic act that Chris Chibnall chose because of the horrific and stupid political correctness of today.

The amount of stuff said such as women's versions of certain films like the Ghostbusters film. There wasn't any need for it.
Women saying they'd like to play James Bond. Why? It's a male like the Doctor.

It's all pathetic nonsense and one argument is that there aren't enough female role models.
If people open their eyes and look, they'll find plenty of female role models.

If people open their eyes and look they'd see the obvious difference between a human character who is supposed to be the same (James Bond) and an alien whose body completely physically transforms into a completely new one.

Everytime I see the James Bond comparison it makes me laugh.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

The typical resorting to personal things now. Had to get personal didn't you

You told him to piss off. You made it personal first.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

Not really. The Doctor has been a male since the show began and if you thought back 10 or maybe earlier than that, people wouldn't speculate the Doctor to become a female. It's only because in present day of politics like correctness that the Doctor became a female. Chris Chibnall made the decision but if it was 10 years ago or earlier, I can say he wouldn't have made that decision

Actually people speculated over the possibility of the Doctor being a woman since he first regenerated.

[Scarlett.]

I'm glad the Doctor is a female because

A) It will be interesting to see
B) It shakes up the companion dynamic
C) It was time for something different
D) Missy was a great Master and proof that a female version of a male timelord could work

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Festive-Fan BBUK-Fan

Not really. The Doctor has been a male since the show began and if you thought back 10 or maybe earlier than that, people wouldn't speculate the Doctor to become a female. It's only because in present day of politics like correctness that the Doctor became a female. Chris Chibnall made the decision but if it was 10 years ago or earlier, I can say he wouldn't have made that decision

We just pretending this didn't happen in the 80s?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

There was a statistic that for every letter published supporting a specific argument, there are quite a lot more who feel the same way, but remain silent. Am not sure the precise number, maybe 5000,so the number of women objecting could be higher than what is seen.

Again the observation is that a chunk of those objecting to this move have been women, which is counter intuitive to what you expect from this age of equal rights.

I don't follow, you're saying women disagreeing with this move somehow makes it more valid? What a load of nonsense.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

I don't follow, you're saying women disagreeing with this move somehow makes it more valid? What a load of nonsense.

Am merely saying that some of those objecting are women and at least two of those I know personally were quite vociferous in their objection and have declared that they will no longer watch it, prompting the question is where is their sisterhood? I would have expected this of male fans but objections from women?

Is this related to the phenomenon observed in Big Brother eviction voting where women hate women and will vote to eject the brazen hussy to save the gorgeous hunk.

The other questions are given that some of the objectors are women, did the new guy make an error as he has alienated a certain part of the audience and ratings will suffer.

How many would have said "right I'm giving up on this" if they had decided to recruit a male actor and continue the tradition of the Doctor being a man?

I have already stated, unlike the two women I know personally I will tune in to see how this pans out