[Brillopad]

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/nhs-...se-smear-test/

I am so shocked by this and feel it is completely unaccepatable for a self-identified transsexual to attempt an intimate smear test on a woman who had requested a female nurse to perform the examination.

Women should always have the right to object without being or feeling labelled. The poor woman had to cancel what is already a traumatic exam in itself without the added pressure of being put is such a position. This is likely to reduce the uptake of cervical cancer monitoring by many women due to such appalling treatment. Shame on the NHS.

It is not the responsibility of women to endure such intrusion in order to validate someone else’s identity.

[Smithy]

It is understood the nurse self-identified as a woman but had not been employed on that basis. She saw the patient only because of a clerical error.

Not really a story then is it

[waterhog]

very tricky and I feel for both of them - nurse and patient but the patient must always come first and I feel the nure may need to think of changing duty to a less intrusive threating job as the patient has always got to come first.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Not really a story then is it

An expected response in my opinion, true or not.

This incident demonstrates how ridiculous a policy of allowing men to self-identify as women is. In the current climate it could well lead to this becoming a common situation. It is a minefield. You don’t give one group ‘rights’ by trampelling over the rights of another group. I believe someone tried it on.

[Tom4784]

I agree with everyone else that this is ultimately a non-story and the intentions to make this nurse seem like some sort of predator is clear but when it comes to Transgender people I don't think they should be classed as their intended gender until they actually transition.

[parmnion]

It does raise an interesting possible issue worth dabating imo.

[parmnion]

1 question? Can you request a dr who is a man but identifies as a woman exams your bits?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

1 question? Can you request a dr who is a man but identifies as a woman exams your bits?

Then you would be asking for a female doctor...

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Then you would be asking for a female doctor...

What if i dont class myself as any sex?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What if i dont class myself as any sex?

Class yourself as what you want, you’re not a dr

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Class yourself as what you want, you’re not a dr

So can i de class myself sexually by law then walk in and request a female dr who identifies as a man examine my danglers? Or the other way around for coughs and minor ailments.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So can i de class myself sexually by law then walk in and request a female dr who identifies as a man examine my danglers? Or the other way around for coughs and minor ailments.

Drs are professionals, I’m sure they deal with all kinds of perverts, so, like I said, do what you want

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Drs are professionals, I’m sure they deal with all kinds of perverts, so, like I said, do what you want

What if my drs a pervert?...do i not get a look in?.can they do what they want?..mr hostile!

[smudgie]

Rules should be in place, then the so called clerical error couldn't or shouldn't happen.
Unless you are a fully transitioned nurse or doctor then you shouldn't be allowed to do the smear tests. If then you find you have been asked to as a clerical error you can stop it going any further and sort the clerical error out.
Smears can be embarrassing for lots of ladies, especially younger ones, everything that can be done should be done to help make them feel at ease.

[Toy Soldier]

Meh. Personally, I think in a health care setting gender should be irrelevant anyway... The people carrying out the procedures are professionals and that's all that should matter.

When I got the snip I was lay with all my junk on display (inside and out, haha) for a good 20 mins. 5 other people in the room - 1 male surgeon, 3 female nurses, and a female student nurse. The only thing I was given a choice on was whether or not it was OK for the student to be there... No one asked me if I minded a female nurse slathering my balls in iodine solution . Honestly it was the last thing on my mind at the time!

[Jamie89]

I imagine this would have also been a very humiliating experience for the nurse, she didn't actually do anything wrong and it should be noted that she's doing an important job that helps and potentially saves the lives of a lot of women, she isn't a pervert to be afraid of. I imagine the patient understands that and wouldn't have wanted to cause her any more distress considering she didn't want her named. But yes she felt uncomforatable and made a complaint and the error was corrected, so this was sorted without hassle? So I do struggle a bit to see the big problem in all of this? Unless the suggestion is that transexual people shouldn't be allowed to become nurses in the first place?
Personally I think in an ideal world something like sex/gender wouldn't matter when it comes to medical issues because a medical professional is just that, and is doing a job to help their patient.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I imagine this would have also been a very humiliating experience for the nurse, she didn't actually do anything wrong and it should be noted that she's doing an important job that helps and potentially saves the lives of a lot of women, she isn't a pervert to be afraid of. I imagine the patient understands that and wouldn't have wanted to cause her any more distress considering she didn't want her named. But yes she felt uncomforatable and made a complaint and the error was corrected, so this was sorted without hassle? So I do struggle a bit to see the big problem in all of this? Unless the suggestion is that transexual people shouldn't be allowed to become nurses in the first place?
Personally I think in an ideal world something like sex/gender wouldn't matter when it comes to medical issues because a medical professional is just that, and is doing a job to help their patient.

Many women find this procedure very intrusive and hate having it done. Many delay getting it done as a result. It will only serve to put women off getting it done at all as many women only want it done by female nurses. If some don’t mind that’s fine but no-one has the right to force the added tarauma of having it done by a man onto others?

Maybe if a self-identified transgender nurse can’t understand that he can’t really know what it’s like to be a woman and how such procedures can make many women feel.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Many women find this procedure very intrusive and hate having it done. Many delay getting it done as a result. It will only serve to put women off getting it done at all as many women only want it done by female nurses. If some don’t mind that’s fine but no-one has the right to force the added tarauma of having it done by a man onto others?

Maybe if a self-identified transgender nurse can’t understand that he can’t really know what it’s like to be a woman and how such procedures can make many women feel.

The nurse didn't do anything wrong here though? And noone tried to force the patient into having it done by someone she wasn't comfortable around? It was a clerical error that was corrected as soon as the patient complained, wasn't it? As far as the nurse is concerned she was just doing her job, her intent was to help the patient, I'm not sure why there is any animosity towards her.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I'm not sure why there is any animosity towards her.

Default mode is default.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

The nurse didn't do anything wrong here though? And noone tried to force the patient into having it done by someone she wasn't comfortable around? It was a clerical error that was corrected as soon as the patient complained, wasn't it? As far as the nurse is concerned she was just doing her job, her intent was to help the patient, I'm not sure why there is any animosity towards her.

very understanding Jamie - I like

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Default mode is default.

If everyone was as gullible as you try and make them out to be...

Im with you and brillo, there is no real story here...but for a debate..
Imagine if jimmy saville was a doctor.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

The nurse didn't do anything wrong here though? And noone tried to force the patient into having it done by someone she wasn't comfortable around? It was a clerical error that was corrected as soon as the patient complained, wasn't it? As far as the nurse is concerned she was just doing her job, her intent was to help the patient, I'm not sure why there is any animosity towards her.

No-one has said the nurse did anything wrong although he was criticised by the NHS for mis-management of the situation by stating he was not a male which the woman herself found odd.

What will happen though if and when self-identification of transgender women becomes enshrined in our laws? Will that limit choice in such situations or will anyone who expresses a preference be labelled or feel labelled? It does effectively prioritise the feelings of a minority over the majority. And it will lead to health consequences as many will fail to have such tests wihich will cost more money for the NHS if they develop cancer and require aggressive treatment.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If everyone was as gullible as you try and make them out to be...

Im with you and brillo, there is no real story here...but for a debate..
Imagine if jimmy saville was a doctor.

So you're equating trans people with peadophiles.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Meh. Personally, I think in a health care setting gender should be irrelevant anyway... The people carrying out the procedures are professionals and that's all that should matter.

When I got the snip I was lay with all my junk on display (inside and out, haha) for a good 20 mins. 5 other people in the room - 1 male surgeon, 3 female nurses, and a female student nurse. The only thing I was given a choice on was whether or not it was OK for the student to be there... No one asked me if I minded a female nurse slathering my balls in iodine solution . Honestly it was the last thing on my mind at the time!

Jesus ****..my nuts and all the wiring just shrivelled like a milkmans hopes as he realises his milk round tips just aint going to make it.



YOU WERE AWAKE...WTHEF?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So you're equating trans people with peadophiles.

No, like in march, april, august...im saying paedophiles can see an in....ya get me now?


Yer last chance btw!