[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

So either she should have been chosen to be put in with the men on friday, or she shouldn't be allowed on this series at all because she's transexual? Personally I find both of those alternatives kind of disturbing tbh, female empowerment shouldn't be used as an excuse to degrade or exclude others, I'm sure that was never the intent of the the womens lib movement.

Choosing another women for an all female show, rather than someone who chooses to live as a woman is hardly excluding or degrading her.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Choosing another women for an all female show, rather than someone who chooses to live as a woman is hardly excluding or degrading her.

The show will also have men go in on friday though, so my point was that either she would be put in with the men, which I think would be degrading for her, or she wouldn't be allowed to go on the show at all (even though both men and women will be on it) which would be excluding her.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

The show will also have men go in on friday though, so my point was that either she would be put in with the men, which I think would be degrading for her, or she wouldn't be allowed to go on the show at all (even though both men and women will be on it) which would be excluding her.

Well they could have included a group who chose their gender.

Women have fought hard for their freedoms and still don't achieve in many areas of life like equal pay. If we are celebrating women let's do that.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well they could have included a group who chose their gender.

Women have fought hard for their freedoms and still don't achieve in many areas of life like equal pay. If we are celebrating women let's do that.

This just shows how stupid you are. A transexual doesn't choose their gender.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

This just shows how stupid you are. A transsexual doesn't choose their gender.

No need to get personal. When you throw around insults you weaken your argument.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No need to get personal. When you throw around insults you weaken your argument.

There's no argument take a look at the comments You are stupid and uninformed lol.

How are you a fan of this show? a transgender woman won way back in 2004....obviously nothing's changed to people like yourself.

I'm guessing you call Ofcom ALOT.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

There's no argument take a look at the comments You are stupid and uninformed lol.

How are you a fan of this show? a transgender woman won way back in 2004....obviously nothing's changed to people like yourself.

I'm guessing you call Ofcom ALOT.

Get off your high horse, what do you know?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No need to get personal. When you throw around insults you weaken your argument.

No need to get personal says the person insulting an entire community with last generations bigotry.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

No need to get personal says the person insulting an entire community with last generations bigotry.

It's a very contentious argument, Withano. Plenty of intelligent, high-functioning, compassionate women, while welcoming the idea that people should be able to live how they choose and be happy, cannot accept that a transgender woman can ever be a "real" woman. It's an opinion that is widespread but if the discussion ever turns that way, they are accused of bigotry. As you have demonstrated.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

No need to get personal says the person insulting an entire community with last generations bigotry.

Spoken like a true collectivist. Some people treat people as individuals, not a community.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well they could have included a group who chose their gender.

Women have fought hard for their freedoms and still don't achieve in many areas of life like equal pay. If we are celebrating women let's do that.

I don't think the fight for equal pay is quite the same as the fight to get onto celebrity big brother. Women are represented, a trans woman is represented, cis women haven't been excluded here. Many people think trans women should be treated as women in society and not excluded and the show is just acknowledging that.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Choosing another women for an all female show, rather than someone who chooses to live as a woman is hardly excluding or degrading her.

thats exactly what it is.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

thats exactly what it is.

Another male view.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Another male view.

**** you seem to have issues. Unfortunatley I fear the producers also have your issues and hope for the females to get uncomfortable sharing a house with HER.

It's 2018 ffs.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Another male view.

Yes I am male. What has that got to do with you not accepting a transwoman as a woman. Any female-male trans would be welcome in an all male house from my perspective because they are male.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yes I am male. What has that got to do with you not accepting a transwoman as a woman. Any female-male trans would be welcome in an all male house from my perspective because they are male.

I was actually going to bring this up im sure the op's post would be different and more empathetic if a female to male entered on an all male launch.