[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Choosing another women for an all female show, rather than someone who chooses to live as a woman is hardly excluding or degrading her.

The show will also have men go in on friday though, so my point was that either she would be put in with the men, which I think would be degrading for her, or she wouldn't be allowed to go on the show at all (even though both men and women will be on it) which would be excluding her.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

The show will also have men go in on friday though, so my point was that either she would be put in with the men, which I think would be degrading for her, or she wouldn't be allowed to go on the show at all (even though both men and women will be on it) which would be excluding her.

Well they could have included a group who chose their gender.

Women have fought hard for their freedoms and still don't achieve in many areas of life like equal pay. If we are celebrating women let's do that.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well they could have included a group who chose their gender.

Women have fought hard for their freedoms and still don't achieve in many areas of life like equal pay. If we are celebrating women let's do that.

This just shows how stupid you are. A transexual doesn't choose their gender.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

This just shows how stupid you are. A transsexual doesn't choose their gender.

No need to get personal. When you throw around insults you weaken your argument.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No need to get personal. When you throw around insults you weaken your argument.

There's no argument take a look at the comments You are stupid and uninformed lol.

How are you a fan of this show? a transgender woman won way back in 2004....obviously nothing's changed to people like yourself.

I'm guessing you call Ofcom ALOT.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

There's no argument take a look at the comments You are stupid and uninformed lol.

How are you a fan of this show? a transgender woman won way back in 2004....obviously nothing's changed to people like yourself.

I'm guessing you call Ofcom ALOT.

Get off your high horse, what do you know?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No need to get personal. When you throw around insults you weaken your argument.

No need to get personal says the person insulting an entire community with last generations bigotry.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

No need to get personal says the person insulting an entire community with last generations bigotry.

It's a very contentious argument, Withano. Plenty of intelligent, high-functioning, compassionate women, while welcoming the idea that people should be able to live how they choose and be happy, cannot accept that a transgender woman can ever be a "real" woman. It's an opinion that is widespread but if the discussion ever turns that way, they are accused of bigotry. As you have demonstrated.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's a very contentious argument, Withano. Plenty of intelligent, high-functioning, compassionate women, while welcoming the idea that people should be able to live how they choose and be happy, cannot accept that a transgender woman can ever be a "real" woman. It's an opinion that is widespread but if the discussion ever turns that way, they are accused of bigotry. As you have demonstrated.

Very nicely put!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's a very contentious argument, Withano. Plenty of intelligent, high-functioning, compassionate women, while welcoming the idea that people should be able to live how they choose and be happy, cannot accept that a transgender woman can ever be a "real" woman. It's an opinion that is widespread but if the discussion ever turns that way, they are accused of bigotry. As you have demonstrated.

It doesn't seem a widespread opinion at all. It will die out in 30 odd years or less (in this country). Similar to how homophobia and racism is slowly phasing out when young replaces old. People just don't think this way anymore. It's just a shame the country hasn't grown out of it sooner, because it's comments like the OP which causes very real issues towards the young and the in denial trans people of today.
And that's just the truth of it all. It's bigotry.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

No need to get personal says the person insulting an entire community with last generations bigotry.

Spoken like a true collectivist. Some people treat people as individuals, not a community.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Spoken like a true collectivist. Some people treat people as individuals, not a community.

Right, but that's not relevant to the discussion. Look alive.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well they could have included a group who chose their gender.

Women have fought hard for their freedoms and still don't achieve in many areas of life like equal pay. If we are celebrating women let's do that.

I don't think the fight for equal pay is quite the same as the fight to get onto celebrity big brother. Women are represented, a trans woman is represented, cis women haven't been excluded here. Many people think trans women should be treated as women in society and not excluded and the show is just acknowledging that.