[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I will reply to this in PM as this is going to take us way offtopic as I can already see where it will go Just so people don't think that I am ignoring it.

Thank you.

[Amy Jade]

I just watched both clips and though I definitely see where India is coming from and understand it must be incredibly frustrating to be called 'he' after going through what she has I do think the times we have been shown all the slip ups have being genuine.

Amanda did chuckle after she said 'he' in the clip but I think it was nervous laughter and I 100% believe she was sorry so I felt India overreacted.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I will reply to this in PM as this is going to take us way offtopic as I can already see where it will go Just so people don't think that I am ignoring it.

not Vicky filing all her "transphobia" pms under

Spoiler:

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by drantb

It must hurt. All your life to go through the pain of being ‘other’ to what everyone else perceives and then to finally be happy in your own skin, yet it still isn’t enough!

Having said that, I don’t believe Amanda has ANY malice in any of this. Fact is, if India didn’t go on about it, it probably wouldn’t even be on Amanda’s mind in the first place.

This

[Beso]

Imagine nicky...


"Who is he, who is he"

[pontyboi]

Oh god I'm sure channel 5 hopes this turns into race row part 2 just to get rid of the show.

Amanda Barrie is going to walk out for sure if India keeps banging on about it because she's going to be thinking Shes coming accross as transphobic.

Yes I'm sure India is offended but not to the degree she's making out im feeling a charley Uchea fake diary room chat about racism coming on.

[Jake.]

Wait, 5 times? When has she been misgendered 5 times?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Wait, 5 times? When has she been misgendered 5 times?

Think ann and rachel did it three times each in one conversation.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Think ann and rachel did it three times each in one conversation.

[Oliver_W]

To be fair saying "I am a woman, I'll say it until it penetrates" isn't the best choice of words!

[Northern Monkey]

India “You’ve misgendered me twice”

Alma “I’m terribly sorry”

India “Sorry’s not good enough!”

Alma ‘Gaawd what d’you want me to do,Suck your dick?!’

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To be fair saying "I am a woman, I'll say it until it penetrates" isn't the best choice of words!

[Stormy]

I can totally understand that India is hurt. I'm a woman (born)...but if someone called me a "he" I would assume that I looked like a man and I would be offended and hurt AND insecure about it.

I can only imagine how worse someone who wasn't born a woman but trying so hard to be one would be hurt and offended.

What I don't understand is why she is dragging this on. India made her point strongly and it was very well done. Amanda got it, and genuinely apologized. India needs to let it go now. What does she want from Amanda...blood?

[poppsywoppsy]

A real woman would not shout at an apologetic 82 year old woman, they would accept the apology for what it was.

A real 50 year old woman would not feel the need to sit topless on a TV programme for airtime.

A real woman would not bang on and on about herself and cut short other discussing subjects which are not about her.

[Marsh.]

Tbh with you, her attitude would get on my wick so much I'd probably start calling her Dave on purpose and get thrown out.

[Headie]

Youtube video

[Oaker]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Youtube video

MESS why is everyone who works on this show useless

[bots]

At least Ann is not letting india away with it in that clip. My opinion is it's india trying to force air time at the expense of an 82 year old woman, and it just doesn't sit well with me.

Elderly people have earned the right to be treated with respect and given a good deal of latitude. She is in no way meaning to be offensive

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Nearly as funny as davids dead for me...

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

At least Ann is not letting india away with it in that clip. My opinion is it's india trying to force air time at the expense of an 82 year old woman, and it just doesn't sit well with me.

Elderly people have earned the right to be treated with respect and given a good deal of latitude. She is in no way meaning to be offensive

[Ant.]

Oh wow Morgan is uncancelled after this thread?

[Maru]

So over it. Your identity is so much more than pronouns, boobs and constant indignance... it persists despite all these things, so why so much work to control everyone else around you to support this? Such a miserable existance

I actually do not think she handled Ann's misgender well. When she first approached her. I think she said outright "You misgendered me." and then continued on to force a reaction... as if a petulant child reminding the guilty that they should feel guilty... I don't buy it. So emotionally manipulative.

[Maru]

If you are happy as you are, then it doesn't matter how others view you. It matters more how you view yourself. She is so focused on the physical transition. Boobs do not make a woman. If you have transitioned in your heart, then the body changes just close the chapter... it's not going to fix the mess inside.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Maru

If you are happy as you are, then it doesn't matter how others view you. It matters more how you view yourself. She is so focused on the physical transition. Boobs do not make a woman. If you have transitioned in your heart, then the body changes just close the chapter... it's not going to fix the mess inside.

Maru

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Maru

If you are happy as you are, then it doesn't matter how others view you. It matters more how you view yourself. She is so focused on the physical transition. Boobs do not make a woman. If you have transitioned in your heart, then the body changes just close the chapter... it's not going to fix the mess inside.

Wise words