[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I'm not really sure on the ins and outs - pardon the expression - of the genitalia post SRS tbh, I was just thinking if in a situation where someone can't tell, and if their genitals did match (god that seems like a bad way of putting it ), and where someone is attracted to them on meeting them and would want to date them (before knowing of their trans status), I know it wouldn't be a common scenario it just puzzles me why someone would completely rule that out as ever being a possibility is all. I totally defend someones right to that preference, I just don't really get it personally is all. (And although I believe India was in the wrong here with how she reacted, I can see how there might be a feeling of hopelessness when you hear something like that and how that might be upsetting).

The thing is.There’s more to being a woman even physically than just a vagina.
Softer skin,Women smell different,Less hair,Rounder hips,different frame,less muscularity.Men don’t just think “pussy” when they see a woman.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The thing is.There’s more to being a woman even physically than just a vagina.
Softer skin,Women smell different,Less hair,Rounder hips,different frame,less muscularity.Men don’t just think “pussy” when they see a woman.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The thing is.There’s more to being a woman even physically than just a vagina.
Softer skin,Women smell different,Less hair,Rounder hips,different frame,less muscularity.Men don’t just think “pussy” when they see a woman.

Yes indeed. Another reason I find 'vagina fetishist' for someone who is attracted to real/natal/biological women only really ****ing awful.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes indeed. Another reason I find 'vagina fetishist' for someone who is attracted to real/natal/biological women only really ****ing awful.

I take it that’s some transactivist slur for people who are attracted to real women?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I take it that’s some transactivist slur for people who are attracted to real women?

Tends to only be applied to lesbians. Its not just transactivists, a lot of 'normal' transgender people are the same. Lesbians are transphobic bigots as penises on transwomen are female body parts and as such, its the vagina they want so they are vagina fetishists and need to get over their bigotry.

Sounds mental, but its actually fairly common these days. Literally every lesbians friend I have has had an experience with a person like this.

Youtube video

Watch this, if you have spare time. Its all absolutely bat****.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Tends to only be applied to lesbians. Its not just transactivists, a lot of 'normal' transgender people are the same. Lesbians are transphobic bigots as penises on transwomen are female body parts and as such, its the vagina they want so they are vagina fetishists and need to get over their bigotry.

Sounds mental, but its actually fairly common these days. Literally every lesbians friend I have has had an experience with a person like this.

Youtube video

Watch this, if you have spare time. Its all absolutely bat****.

I have learned much from you on this topic.
I’ve seen that Riley before on Youtube.He/she/they seems like they have alot of growing up to do.
This whole agenda seems to have gone from ‘we want acceptance’ to ‘we want to reshape the world around us and force you all to think,feel and be how we want or you’re an evil bigoted transphobe’

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I have learned much from you on this topic.
I’ve seen that Riley before on Youtube.He/she/they seems like they have alot of growing up to do.
This whole agenda seems to have gone from ‘we want acceptance’ to ‘we want to reshape the world around us and force you all to think,feel and be how we want or you’re an evil bigoted transphobe’

Absolutely spot on. Its being driven by narcissistic arseholes, absolute fantasists advising the government on law changes that will effect everyone, but with no thought to anyone it will actually affect.

Meanwhile people grow even more deluded and start thinking biological sex is a social ****ing construct. It really annoys me sometimes when I see people I consider intelligent buying it all Every one of my mates knows the score now though. I tend to find once people find out the extent of it all, and think just a little into the matter (rather than just repeating the cultlike chant of 'transwomen are women'), they become 'gender critical'

The more Indias on TV insisting straight men should shag transwomen the better. Wakes more people up to the crazyness.

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I have learned much from you on this topic.
I’ve seen that Riley before on Youtube.He/she/they seems like they have alot of growing up to do.
This whole agenda seems to have gone from ‘we want acceptance’ to ‘we want to reshape the world around us and force you all to think,feel and be how we want or you’re an evil bigoted transphobe’

I agree. The entire video has a very passive aggressive subtext of "I won't tell you how to live your life, but it's wrong how you live your life and this is how you should think, feel and act".
Deconstructing emotions and sexual attraction like it's some sort of a technical issue that you can adjust - it's not practical nor making any sense.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well if we are honest, most times you can tell. Especially with transwomen. Transmen do tend to pass very well in a few cases but they still have vaginas, and if they do not, its still not a 'penis'

The likes of Blair White pass very well...male friends have said they do find Blair attractive facially and such but could not sleep with someone who has a penis, as they are not gay. Even with SRS, its not a 'vagina...its an inverted penis or bits of colon made into a hole. So its still different. So I definitely understand saying you could never go there sexually tbh. It does noone any favours to pretend neovaginas are actual vaginas.

Yeah Blaire White is definitely passing. She hasn't had the surgery though, she opted to keep her original equipment because she didn't want to lose the ability to orgasm (very understandable)

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Tends to only be applied to lesbians. Its not just transactivists, a lot of 'normal' transgender people are the same. Lesbians are transphobic bigots as penises on transwomen are female body parts and as such, its the vagina they want so they are vagina fetishists and need to get over their bigotry.

Sounds mental, but its actually fairly common these days. Literally every lesbians friend I have has had an experience with a person like this.

Youtube video

Watch this, if you have spare time. Its all absolutely bat****.

This video is such trash but a surprising amt of folk who exist out there think this way.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I have learned much from you on this topic.
I’ve seen that Riley before on Youtube.He/she/they seems like they have alot of growing up to do.
This whole agenda seems to have gone from ‘we want acceptance’ to ‘we want to reshape the world around us and force you all to think,feel and be how we want or you’re an evil bigoted transphobe’

Agreed, it's gone too far. Now it's all about making grandiose moral accusations and covering up their own prejudice with emotional arguments whose sole purpose is to dictate to others and bully them into accepting their premise. It's no different than any other prejudice if you really listen to the reasoning behind their views and see the cues. There are some darker elements hiding behind these views, because when you feel you're superior enough to dictate to the rest of the group how the world not only should but MUST operate in order to achieve "total acceptance"... it's too similar for me to the Scientology scam and trying to achieve "clear".

And many of the arguments have a very strong hierarchy to them. Your gender/racial label literally dictates how you are expected to be treated/perceived.. and there's nothing you can do to escape it for the rest of your life. It's a very sad and miserable POV.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Maru

Yeah Blaire White is definitely passing. She hasn't had the surgery though, she opted to keep her original equipment because she didn't want to lose the ability to orgasm (very understandable)




This video is such trash but a surprising amt of folk who exist out there think this way.



Agreed, it's gone too far. Now it's all about making grandiose moral accusations and covering up their own prejudice with emotional arguments whose sole purpose is to dictate to others and bully them into accepting their premise. It's no different than any other prejudice if you really listen to the reasoning behind their views and see the cues. There are some darker elements hiding behind these views, because when you feel you're superior enough to dictate to the rest of the group how the world not only should but MUST operate in order to achieve "total acceptance"... it's too similar for me to the Scientology scam and trying to achieve "clear".

And many of the arguments have a very strong hierarchy to them. Your gender/racial label literally dictates how you are expected to be treated/perceived.. and there's nothing you can do to escape it for the rest of your life. It's a very sad and miserable POV.

Yes exactly and it’s not limited to the trans issue.It comes from a place of
‘Oh so you’re comfortable with your gender/you’re white/you’re straight/you’re male?
Well you have privilege.We need to take some of that away to make things more equal’
You don’t have enough victimhood points so you’re bottom of the hierarchy.
Then comes the dictating and being called ‘white male patriarchal cis scum who perpetuates rape culture rah rah rah’
It’s all the same ****.