[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Good for her!

Rubbish countries need doctors too, so hopefully she'll be an asset to her homeland <3

[DemolitionRed]

the NYTimes ran a story about a White House meeting in June where trump said all the Haitians had aids and the Africans needed to go back to their huts.
the White House vehemently denied that trump had made those comments. Well here we are a couple of weeks later and trump has made similar comments that pretty much confirms the NYTimes story. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/u...migration.html

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am not defending him,I am just not sure everything the media puts out about him is actually true,in other words I do not trust what some of the media say,there seems to be certain sectors that revel in digging up any old dirt and twisting it because they do not like him ,if he was proven to be all these things surely he would have been impeached now.

He has told 1,950 lies in one year of being in office...... He's far more unreliable than the media.

The whole 'he'd have been impeached now if he did what they say he did' argument is a weak one, the investigation is still ongoing, it's not an instant thing you know, investigations like the one Trump is under takes time.

[GiRTh]

Sen. Tim Scott: Sen. Graham confirmed Trump's reported 's---hole' quote was accurate

Three people two Republicans and a Democrat appearing to confirm Trump's comment

EDIT - The site wont let me post the full link cuz of the word 'sh&t'

[Withano]

Daft ****

[Vanessa]

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Daft ****

Is it punk?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Donald Trump abandons plans to open US embassy in London because of 'bad deal'

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...ondon-11204052

His excuse was to blame Obama for a deal that was struck before he even became president.

[Kizzy]

Has he been to Detroit?

[Maru]

He's put himself in a perpetual sh*thole over his tweeting, but I won't hold my breath it'll change. He seems to love people obsessing over it as it keeps him the topic of the day...

[Northern Monkey]

The guy could be right.There are countries which are indeed ****holes.He can think what he likes.

However he’s not just your average bloke.He’s the POTUS and that role requires a thing called DIPLOMACY with a good dose of TACT.
Both arts that this president has certainly NOT mastered.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The guy could be right.There are countries which are indeed ****holes.He can think what he likes.

However he’s not just your average bloke.He’s the POTUS and that role requires a thing called DIPLOMACY with a good dose of TACT.
Both arts that this president has certainly NOT mastered.

He should of also reminded himself that America has a lot of **** holes.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

He should of also reminded himself that America has a lot of **** holes.

Very true

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

He should of also reminded himself that America has a lot of **** holes.

but is a wealth creating hugely successful country that does massive good around the world

to try and pretend that a lot of country's are not sh1tholes is a bit daft

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

but is a wealth creating hugely successful country that does massive good around the world

to try and pretend that a lot of country's are not sh1tholes is a bit daft

Maybe but for one, at least equally daft to sweeping claim that every country in an entire continent is a sh*thole (at the very least demonstrates that he knows next to nothing about Africa) and secondly... His point isn't just that they are failing states... It's that any person who COMES FROM a failing state will be a "failing person", which is obviously nonsense. Plenty of people from tough backgrounds are intelligent, productive and driven adults and plenty of people from privileged western backgrounds are lazy, thick and pig-ignorant.

Country of origin really says very little about an individual.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe but for one, at least equally daft to sweeping claim that every country in an entire continent is a sh*thole (at the very least demonstrates that he knows next to nothing about Africa) and secondly... His point isn't just that they are failing states... It's that any person who COMES FROM a failing state will be a "failing person", which is obviously nonsense. Plenty of people from tough backgrounds are intelligent, productive and driven adults and plenty of people from privileged western backgrounds are lazy, thick and pig-ignorant.

Country of origin really says very little about an individual.

Hence the reason we should not be discussing bits of a conversation that was leaked with a pure agenda

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

but is a wealth creating hugely successful country that does massive good around the world

to try and pretend that a lot of country's are not sh1tholes is a bit daft

Nobody is saying a lot of countries aren't **** holes or that America doesn't do good around the world, but when you consider the massive domestic issues making America one of the most violent, racist countries in the world, soon bereft of even the most fundamental health care, saturated with guns and continual mass shootings, living in a hazy cowboy fantasy, governed by a repressive religious minority, so oppressive it jails more of its own citizens than any other regime inthe world I thing its accurate to say... it's a ****hole.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Nobody is saying a lot of countries aren't **** holes or that America doesn't do good around the world, but when you consider the massive domestic issues making America one of the most violent, racist countries in the world, soon bereft of even the most fundamental health care, saturated with guns and continual mass shootings, living in a hazy cowboy fantasy, governed by a repressive religious minority, so oppressive it jails more of its own citizens than any other regime inthe world I thing its accurate to say... it's a ****hole.

See this is where it’s gone too far for me.
I’d agree that America has places that are indeed ****holes but not that America as a whole is one.

When you look at the world the US is one of the best places you could live.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

See this is where it’s gone too far for me.
I’d agree that America has places that are indeed ****holes but not that America as a whole is one.

When you look at the world the US is one of the best places you could live.

We will have to agree to disagree. Whilst California and New York are great places for a short holiday, America is on my list of countries I would least like to live.

Why would anyone want to move to a country where you pay around $400 a month in medical insurance and if you do fall ill a claims assessor looks for every possible way to not pay your claim?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYCf4h5XgE

[Tom4784]

US is up there with Japan for countries I would not like to live in (obviously not counting war torn countries and the like).

It's nice for a holiday but I wouldn't live there, if you come down with a serious illness, you need to start a gofundme for a chance of getting treatment. **** that.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Nobody is saying a lot of countries aren't **** holes or that America doesn't do good around the world, but when you consider the massive domestic issues making America one of the most violent, racist countries in the world, soon bereft of even the most fundamental health care, saturated with guns and continual mass shootings, living in a hazy cowboy fantasy, governed by a repressive religious minority, so oppressive it jails more of its own citizens than any other regime inthe world I thing its accurate to say... it's a ****hole.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

We will have to agree to disagree. Whilst California and New York are great places for a short holiday, America is on my list of countries I would least like to live.

Why would anyone want to move to a country where you pay around $400 a month in medical insurance and if you do fall ill a claims assessor looks for every possible way to not pay your claim?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYCf4h5XgE

So blindly ethnocentric...

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

US is up there with Japan for countries I would not like to live in (obviously not counting war torn countries and the like).

It's nice for a holiday but I'm not living anywhere where, if you come down with a serious illness, you need to start a gofundme for a chance of getting treatment. **** that.

Well thankfully, most people/families are insured through employers and it's usually an 80/20 (80% coverage, 20% you pay), 90/10 plan... Most plans cover treatment and diagnostics 100%. The percentage is usually if you have to do inpatient/outpatient procedures, (edit) but in most cases it's a deductible. ERs are copays, so I've dropped stones that have cost $20,000K to only have a $300 copay (which is higher than average). (edit) Also the overall price is actually marked down... just because it's billed $20,000K, isn't the contracted rate. It's usually far less once Medicare/insurance contract rates kick in.

Usually the lifetime deductibles are like $1million, etc, but it varies widely. Also, the giant bills you see from hospitals are usually from people who have either maxed out or are uninsured or are in some crazy rare instance where their insurance company is a moron.

My mother has severe Dystonia and she's had two brain surgeries fully covered by Medicare which are entirely experimental. My whole family has had a lot of experimental research done because the form of it is so unusual. 100% of that research was covered by insurance. We wouldn't have the research capabilities we have if it weren't for private insurance. Not saying it doesn't happen where the insurance companies **** up, but from what I hear the NHS isn't a picnic either.

Anyway, I've never known anyone but myself who has opened a Gofundme, and it was for a dog I was nursing from being emaciated through a dog rescue I was with and who also needed diabetes testing. But Americans are very charitable... even those horrible Christian people and believe me the hospitals/medical center is floating in money. It's just that you hear the worst cases because that's all the media will cover... they'll never tell you how our system though makes a lot of things that don't happen in other places possible. It's just what it is.


Edit: Oh, as far as Japan, I'd agree (personally). I speak the language and I have had friends there for many years who we communicate daily with. It's not quite Western culture, and I don't really feel like doing English teaching for the rest of my life ... . I was a member at a gaijin forum for the longest time so I knew a lot of expats and we talked about it when I wanted to go into Linguistics. It's got it's issues, but so does any country.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Maru

So blindly ethnocentric...

I can only assume you mean that in a negative way because it’s a word that’s meaning is inherently bad. Nice try!

I am only ethnocentric towards the American political system because Americas political system appears to be blind towards human rights violations. I’m ethnocentric about human rights in many countries around the world, aren’t you? I wouldn’t want to live in SA or other Arabic cultures where life is cheap or African countries that perform FFGM. So to correct your attempt to insult, I’ll make it clear that my ethnocentrism isn’t trivial and certainly isn't blind. Its not about culture or multiculturalism but about the wrongs of their healthcare system, their gun laws; their death sentences in certain states and about the great divide between real wealth and real poverty. And now with Trump, I'm ethnocentric about a president who appears to thrive on racial hatred.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Maru

So blindly ethnocentric...

..to be fair though Maru, it’s Trump himself who has placed the definition on what is an awful country...I mean what he’s essentially saying is that if a country has problems then all of the people of the country ‘are a problem also’ and not people the USA would want or should have...so isn’t that the very definition of being ethnocentric in some kind of stance of superiority.../...so it’s obvious really that similar opinions will come back at him...well take a look at yourself and your own country, Donald../..type thing...I can understand that...hasn’t every country in the world got specific problems and issues, but we don’t define their whole people by that...he has though and so he’s the one that’s then opened his own people and country up for the same scrutiny ...Donald did that...

....anyways, he feels that Norway is ‘acceptable’ so therefore Norwegian people are welcome...maybe they should send him Anders Behring as one of his citizens to spend the rest of his days in a US prison...Anders Behring shot and killed over 70 people and Trump does nothing to restrict his own country’s gun laws so that things like that are less likely to happen and to help lessen deaths of his own people...and It would only be possible for Norway to send Anders anyway because they don’t practice the death penalty, which the US as a westernised country still do in some states, not very progressive.../...so I guess it could be said by Norway and Norwegians...why would we ever think of emigrating to a ****hole like the US...he represents his citizens very badly I’m afraid....

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Maru

Well thankfully, most people/families are insured through employers and it's usually an 80/20 (80% coverage, 20% you pay), 90/10 plan... Most plans cover treatment and diagnostics 100%.

I don't know many Americans but the two I do know I consider my best friends. One of those friends couldn't return to America when she fell pregnant because nobody would insure her. The other ones sister got throat cancer after working on the 9/11 clear up operation. She'd paid insurance all her working life. She lives in a modern, fully paid for Manhattan apartment. When she fell ill, her medical records were scrutinized by her insurers before she was rejected. The reason: she'd had thrush in her mouth about ten years previous and hadn't told them. She was suddenly faced with inevitable death if she couldn't get treatment or the loss of everything she owned to pay privately. Fortunately for her the 9/11 trust stepped in. Fortunately she had a charity she could turn to but many don't.