[Jamie89]

He said very early on in the diary room, around the time he had one of his first chats with Ann about her views I think, something along the lines of not wanting to try and change her views or argue with her, but he wanted to have the conversation as it could help other lgbt people who are watching, because a lot of people do hold negative views of themselves because of people like Ann and hearing Shane J speak about that stuff can be inspiring and helpful for them, he's said as well about how he receives letters from young lgbt people who look up to him because of this sort of stuff. I think it's more to do with all that than it is having any sort of 'agenda' against Ann or wanting anything from her. I think it's a worthwhile reason for him to discuss those issues and tbh I don't understand why people seem to have such an issue with it, it doesn't take up much of the show, he doesn't talk about it all the time, and it is probably very helpful for some people watching so it's doing good if that's the case, and like I said it's because of people with views like Ann's that there are some of the problems there are in the first place, he's just providing a counter to that and using the show to get it across I suppose.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

He said very early on in the diary room, around the time he had one of his first chats with Ann about her views I think, something along the lines of not wanting to try and change her views or argue with her, but he wanted to have the conversation as it could help other lgbt people who are watching, because a lot of people do hold negative views of themselves because of people like Ann and hearing Shane J speak about that stuff can be inspiring and helpful for them, he's said as well about how he receives letters from young lgbt people who look up to him because of this sort of stuff. I think it's more to do with all that than it is having any sort of 'agenda' against Ann or wanting anything from her. I think it's a worthwhile reason for him to discuss those issues and tbh I don't understand why people seem to have such an issue with it, it doesn't take up much of the show, he doesn't talk about it all the time, and it is probably very helpful for some people watching so it's doing good if that's the case, and like I said it's because of people with views like Ann's that there are some of the problems there are in the first place, he's just providing a counter to that and using the show to get it across I suppose.

If he had stuck to just doing like you have written, he would have done well.

His incessant pontificating about it at every opportunity has had the reverse effect and become boring.

His association with Andrew and his backing when Andrew name called was bad judgement.

His going from person to person badmouthing Ann has also been seen and not in a good light.

Like India said, He may have cocked this up.

[Vanessa]

Jess will be fist out on Friday. Shane just doesn't agree with Ann views and its his right.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Jess will be fist out on Friday. Shane just doesn't agree with Ann views and its his right.

Depending on who is left, I think jess will be 3rd, Ann 2nd and Shane first.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

If he had stuck to just doing like you have written, he would have done well.

His incessant pontificating about it at every opportunity has had the reverse effect and become boring.

His association with Andrew and his backing when Andrew name called was bad judgement.

His going from person to person badmouthing Ann has also been seen and not in a good light.

Like India said, He may have cocked this up.

I just think it's blown a bit out of proportion tbh it really doesn't seem to me like he's been going on about it that much (although I didn't think India went on about being trans that much either and I was pretty alone on that I think ), and his going behind Ann's back didn't happen often (and he seems to have resolved it with her anyway after last night).
He did stand up to Andrew about the name calling though, he told him he was against the words he'd used. I think it's unfair to judge him negatively just for being associated with him.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I just think it's blown a bit out of proportion tbh it really doesn't seem to me like he's been going on about it that much (although I didn't think India went on about being trans that much either and I was pretty alone on that I think ), and his going behind Ann's back didn't happen often (and he seems to have resolved it with her anyway after last night).
He did stand up to Andrew about the name calling though, he told him he was against the words he'd used. I think it's unfair to judge him negatively just for being associated with him.

Yeah I don't think you're watching the same show Jamie.

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[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Yeah I don't think you're watching the same show Jamie.

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100% not watching same show as Im watching that is for sure

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

He said very early on in the diary room, around the time he had one of his first chats with Ann about her views I think, something along the lines of not wanting to try and change her views or argue with her, but he wanted to have the conversation as it could help other lgbt people who are watching, because a lot of people do hold negative views of themselves because of people like Ann and hearing Shane J speak about that stuff can be inspiring and helpful for them, he's said as well about how he receives letters from young lgbt people who look up to him because of this sort of stuff. I think it's more to do with all that than it is having any sort of 'agenda' against Ann or wanting anything from her. I think it's a worthwhile reason for him to discuss those issues and tbh I don't understand why people seem to have such an issue with it, it doesn't take up much of the show, he doesn't talk about it all the time, and it is probably very helpful for some people watching so it's doing good if that's the case, and like I said it's because of people with views like Ann's that there are some of the problems there are in the first place, he's just providing a counter to that and using the show to get it across I suppose.

Ace post.
Thoughts and observations there I didn't consider.

Your last few lines,full fact and perfect justification as to his efforts.

Really Jamie, a great and fair post.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

He said very early on in the diary room, around the time he had one of his first chats with Ann about her views I think, something along the lines of not wanting to try and change her views or argue with her, but he wanted to have the conversation as it could help other lgbt people who are watching, because a lot of people do hold negative views of themselves because of people like Ann and hearing Shane J speak about that stuff can be inspiring and helpful for them, he's said as well about how he receives letters from young lgbt people who look up to him because of this sort of stuff. I think it's more to do with all that than it is having any sort of 'agenda' against Ann or wanting anything from her. I think it's a worthwhile reason for him to discuss those issues and tbh I don't understand why people seem to have such an issue with it, it doesn't take up much of the show, he doesn't talk about it all the time, and it is probably very helpful for some people watching so it's doing good if that's the case, and like I said it's because of people with views like Ann's that there are some of the problems there are in the first place, he's just providing a counter to that and using the show to get it across I suppose.

Superb post thank you really nicely put

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

He said very early on in the diary room, around the time he had one of his first chats with Ann about her views I think, something along the lines of not wanting to try and change her views or argue with her, but he wanted to have the conversation as it could help other lgbt people who are watching, because a lot of people do hold negative views of themselves because of people like Ann and hearing Shane J speak about that stuff can be inspiring and helpful for them, he's said as well about how he receives letters from young lgbt people who look up to him because of this sort of stuff. I think it's more to do with all that than it is having any sort of 'agenda' against Ann or wanting anything from her. I think it's a worthwhile reason for him to discuss those issues and tbh I don't understand why people seem to have such an issue with it, it doesn't take up much of the show, he doesn't talk about it all the time, and it is probably very helpful for some people watching so it's doing good if that's the case, and like I said it's because of people with views like Ann's that there are some of the problems there are in the first place, he's just providing a counter to that and using the show to get it across I suppose.

The bit about people with anns views are the problem that there are....can you expand on that?



Cause the door seems pretty open to the lgbt community these days!.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The bit about people with anns views are the problem that there are....can you expand on that?



Cause the door seems pretty open to the lgbt community these days!.

Gaping open !!

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The bit about people with anns views are the problem that there are....can you expand on that?



Cause the door seems pretty open to the lgbt community these days!.

I mean that some people are made to feel bad about their sexuality by other people (people with views like Ann's)... things are a lot better than they used to be and personally I've been lucky and I've never really had any major issues and yes generally in society the door is pretty open, and laws etc etc (and Ann herself doesn't actually treat gay people negatively on a personal level to give her credit) but however much has changed there are still people who struggle and experience homophobia and those are the people who might be helped by watching Shane J tackle Ann's views and show the other side of things, and it's views like Ann's that perpetuate that homophobia.

Originally Posted by Paula D

Yeah I don't think you're watching the same show Jamie.

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I was asking for that really

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I mean that some people are made to feel bad about their sexuality by other people (people with views like Ann's)... things are a lot better than they used to be and personally I've been lucky and I've never really had any major issues and yes generally in society the door is pretty open, and laws etc etc (and Ann herself doesn't actually treat gay people negatively on a personal level to give her credit) but however much has changed there are still people who struggle and experience homophobia and those are the people who might be helped by watching Shane J tackle Ann's views and show the other side of things, and it's views like Ann's that perpetuate that homophobia.



I was asking for that really

Hold on a minute who's been made to feel bad about their sexuality? Ive not seen ANYONE mention another persons sexuality part from Barbie who says the word 3 times per sentence

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Hold on a minute who's been made to feel bad about their sexuality? Ive not seen ANYONE mention another persons sexuality part from Barbie who says the word 3 times per sentence

Some people generally in life, I wasn't talking about any of the housemates I was talking about those people being part of the reason why Shane J brings up Ann's views.