[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

She's unique,and the thing i love more than anything about her is her honesty and her manners and the fact she's been brought up well ,something sadly missing today with the younger generation ... She's been a brilliant hm8 who deserved to win,but will lose out to a label sticker ....Its a sad world we live in Niamh

She's been a great HM, no denying that, i still think they're both going to lose out to Jess though

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marches

She was asked a few times, Shane j pulled her up a few times on it

That is what I mean, she has answered when asked, she hasn't got on a soapbox and tried to drum her views into the receiving crowd

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Could be that too, I'll have to have a re watch I think

I try to resist looking at videos all day, if you do then you've nothing really to see in the main show.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She's been a great HM, no denying that, i still think they're both going to lose out to Jess though

God forbid, Barbie winning is a bad enough thought but Jess would be nearly as bad a winner

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Paula D

I try to resist looking at videos all day, if you do then you've nothing really to see in the main show.

I can't help it

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

God forbid, Barbie winning is a bad enough thought but Jess would be nearly as bad a winner

Honestly out of all the ones who are left, I think they've all been pretty decent Hms in their own ways, and all totally different aswell

[Marches]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Honestly out of all the ones who are left, I think they've all been pretty decent Hms in their own ways, and all totally different aswell

Agreed, even Shane j has offered a large quantity (not quality) of stuff to the house. They’ve all contributed and add to the house dynamic

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Honestly out of all the ones who are left, I think they've all been pretty decent Hms in their own ways, and all totally different aswell

I could take ANYONE (even Jess ) winning apart from the chosen one Shane J,the thought of him in a cheap frock been carried shoulder high by his new squeeze Andrew to the nearest Travelodge for something they started to do in BB toilet would be too much to bear, in fact I would have switched off before he climbed the stairs

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I could take ANYONE (even Jess ) winning apart from the chosen one Shane J,the thought of him in a cheap frock been carried shoulder high by his new squeeze Andrew to the nearest Travelodge for something they started to do in BB toilet would be too much to bear, in fact I would have switched off before he climbed the stairs

What a pretty picture you paint.........not

It is going to happen whether he wins or not

[Jamie89]

He said very early on in the diary room, around the time he had one of his first chats with Ann about her views I think, something along the lines of not wanting to try and change her views or argue with her, but he wanted to have the conversation as it could help other lgbt people who are watching, because a lot of people do hold negative views of themselves because of people like Ann and hearing Shane J speak about that stuff can be inspiring and helpful for them, he's said as well about how he receives letters from young lgbt people who look up to him because of this sort of stuff. I think it's more to do with all that than it is having any sort of 'agenda' against Ann or wanting anything from her. I think it's a worthwhile reason for him to discuss those issues and tbh I don't understand why people seem to have such an issue with it, it doesn't take up much of the show, he doesn't talk about it all the time, and it is probably very helpful for some people watching so it's doing good if that's the case, and like I said it's because of people with views like Ann's that there are some of the problems there are in the first place, he's just providing a counter to that and using the show to get it across I suppose.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

He said very early on in the diary room, around the time he had one of his first chats with Ann about her views I think, something along the lines of not wanting to try and change her views or argue with her, but he wanted to have the conversation as it could help other lgbt people who are watching, because a lot of people do hold negative views of themselves because of people like Ann and hearing Shane J speak about that stuff can be inspiring and helpful for them, he's said as well about how he receives letters from young lgbt people who look up to him because of this sort of stuff. I think it's more to do with all that than it is having any sort of 'agenda' against Ann or wanting anything from her. I think it's a worthwhile reason for him to discuss those issues and tbh I don't understand why people seem to have such an issue with it, it doesn't take up much of the show, he doesn't talk about it all the time, and it is probably very helpful for some people watching so it's doing good if that's the case, and like I said it's because of people with views like Ann's that there are some of the problems there are in the first place, he's just providing a counter to that and using the show to get it across I suppose.

If he had stuck to just doing like you have written, he would have done well.

His incessant pontificating about it at every opportunity has had the reverse effect and become boring.

His association with Andrew and his backing when Andrew name called was bad judgement.

His going from person to person badmouthing Ann has also been seen and not in a good light.

Like India said, He may have cocked this up.

[Vanessa]

Jess will be fist out on Friday. Shane just doesn't agree with Ann views and its his right.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

What a pretty picture you paint.........not

It is going to happen whether he wins or not

Dead right it is, they will be selling their love story to the Sun on Monday

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

If he had stuck to just doing like you have written, he would have done well.

His incessant pontificating about it at every opportunity has had the reverse effect and become boring.

His association with Andrew and his backing when Andrew name called was bad judgement.

His going from person to person badmouthing Ann has also been seen and not in a good light.

Like India said, He may have cocked this up.

I just think it's blown a bit out of proportion tbh it really doesn't seem to me like he's been going on about it that much (although I didn't think India went on about being trans that much either and I was pretty alone on that I think ), and his going behind Ann's back didn't happen often (and he seems to have resolved it with her anyway after last night).
He did stand up to Andrew about the name calling though, he told him he was against the words he'd used. I think it's unfair to judge him negatively just for being associated with him.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Dead right it is, they will be selling their love story to the Sun on Monday

Oh perleeeze, much to upmarket

Daily Star.......don't you know

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Oh perleeeze, much to upmarket

Daily Star.......don't you know

It was a toss up ( pardon the pun) between the Sun and Star

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because, just like it's her right to have those views, it's his right to oppose them.

Why doesn't he then? Everytime he has tried doing it with ann he has ended up sitting mute and butt hurt.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Why doesn't he then? Everytime he has tried doing it with ann he has ended up sitting mute and butt hurt.

Because he knows she will eat him up and spit him out and make him look very silly

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Because he knows she will eat him up and spit him out and make him look very silly

Again.

[indywolf13]

the best way to find your answer sign up to live in a house with ann for 4 weeks . quite frankly think shane j has done well with all the rolling eyes and disgusting comments . with little to do in that house you will always end up with some gossip this years been tame compared to some

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by indywolf13

the best way to find your answer sign up to live in a house with ann for 4 weeks . quite frankly think shane j has done well with all the rolling eyes and disgusting comments . with little to do in that house you will always end up with some gossip this years been tame compared to some

She hasn't made any disgusting comments........if she had, she would be out of the door, it was Andrew.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

He said very early on in the diary room, around the time he had one of his first chats with Ann about her views I think, something along the lines of not wanting to try and change her views or argue with her, but he wanted to have the conversation as it could help other lgbt people who are watching, because a lot of people do hold negative views of themselves because of people like Ann and hearing Shane J speak about that stuff can be inspiring and helpful for them, he's said as well about how he receives letters from young lgbt people who look up to him because of this sort of stuff. I think it's more to do with all that than it is having any sort of 'agenda' against Ann or wanting anything from her. I think it's a worthwhile reason for him to discuss those issues and tbh I don't understand why people seem to have such an issue with it, it doesn't take up much of the show, he doesn't talk about it all the time, and it is probably very helpful for some people watching so it's doing good if that's the case, and like I said it's because of people with views like Ann's that there are some of the problems there are in the first place, he's just providing a counter to that and using the show to get it across I suppose.

Ace post.
Thoughts and observations there I didn't consider.

Your last few lines,full fact and perfect justification as to his efforts.

Really Jamie, a great and fair post.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

He said very early on in the diary room, around the time he had one of his first chats with Ann about her views I think, something along the lines of not wanting to try and change her views or argue with her, but he wanted to have the conversation as it could help other lgbt people who are watching, because a lot of people do hold negative views of themselves because of people like Ann and hearing Shane J speak about that stuff can be inspiring and helpful for them, he's said as well about how he receives letters from young lgbt people who look up to him because of this sort of stuff. I think it's more to do with all that than it is having any sort of 'agenda' against Ann or wanting anything from her. I think it's a worthwhile reason for him to discuss those issues and tbh I don't understand why people seem to have such an issue with it, it doesn't take up much of the show, he doesn't talk about it all the time, and it is probably very helpful for some people watching so it's doing good if that's the case, and like I said it's because of people with views like Ann's that there are some of the problems there are in the first place, he's just providing a counter to that and using the show to get it across I suppose.

Superb post thank you really nicely put

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

He said very early on in the diary room, around the time he had one of his first chats with Ann about her views I think, something along the lines of not wanting to try and change her views or argue with her, but he wanted to have the conversation as it could help other lgbt people who are watching, because a lot of people do hold negative views of themselves because of people like Ann and hearing Shane J speak about that stuff can be inspiring and helpful for them, he's said as well about how he receives letters from young lgbt people who look up to him because of this sort of stuff. I think it's more to do with all that than it is having any sort of 'agenda' against Ann or wanting anything from her. I think it's a worthwhile reason for him to discuss those issues and tbh I don't understand why people seem to have such an issue with it, it doesn't take up much of the show, he doesn't talk about it all the time, and it is probably very helpful for some people watching so it's doing good if that's the case, and like I said it's because of people with views like Ann's that there are some of the problems there are in the first place, he's just providing a counter to that and using the show to get it across I suppose.

The bit about people with anns views are the problem that there are....can you expand on that?



Cause the door seems pretty open to the lgbt community these days!.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The bit about people with anns views are the problem that there are....can you expand on that?



Cause the door seems pretty open to the lgbt community these days!.

Gaping open !!