[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marches

Gender dysphoria isn’t just getting a vagina or a penis ‘because I fancy it’ sorta deal tho. Said medical condition is insane psychological torture for everyone with it and has contributed to very high sucide attempt rates among thes group of people. It’s quite hard to describe without going through it yourself, but it is an issue that plagues all the people suffering with it. I don’t think it’s like the no1 priority or anything I just believe it should be taken a little more seriously by the nhs

do you have any links to medical evidence that supports all your claims?

[Marches]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

do you have any links to medical evidence that supports all your claims?

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.e...port-Final.pdf

Study conducted in California about transgender suicide rates, with 42% for trans women and 46% for trans men

There’s a bunch of other articles if you search gender dysphoria sucide rates which basically confirm those rates

Keep in mind in California the sucide rate averaged at around 9.4-11% over the years

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Marches

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.e...port-Final.pdf

Study conducted in California about transgender suicide rates, with 42% for trans women and 46% for trans men

There’s a bunch of other articles if you search gender dysphoria sucide rates which basically confirm those rates

Keep in mind in California the sucide rate averaged at around 9.4-11% over the years

People commit suicide over debt, losing their jobs and home, the gay " community" is not exclusive to suffering

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

People commit suicide over debt, losing their jobs and home, the gay " community" is not exclusive to suffering

also most people commit suicide and dont leave a reason why

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

also most people commit suicide and dont leave a reason why

Exactly ! it is 2018 ,gays are fully accepted now, in fact its the norm, the bleating and poor mes are so a hundred years ago

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Exactly ! it is 2018 ,gays are fully accepted now, in fact its the norm, the bleating and poor mes are so a hundred years ago

And your evidence for this as a straight woman is ?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cal.

And your evidence for this as a straight woman is ?

Pretty sure we've gone off topic now

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Exactly ! it is 2018 ,gays are fully accepted now, in fact its the norm, the bleating and poor mes are so a hundred years ago

Maybe gays are. But transsexuals are not gays. Gay and transsexual are not related. You have proved India’s point about how the grouping of LGBT confuses.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Bluelight

Maybe gays are. But transsexuals are not gays. Gay and transsexual are not related. You have proved India’s point about how the grouping of LGBT confuses.

so we should stop saying LGBTQI?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

People commit suicide over debt, losing their jobs and home, the gay " community" is not exclusive to suffering

What a ridiculous comment. Obviously suicide is not something that ONLY happens to trans people but the rates are much higher.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

What a ridiculous comment. Obviously suicide is not something that ONLY happens to trans people but the rates are much higher.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4882090/

Of the 298 transgender women, 41.5%of participants had 1 or more mental health or substance dependence diagnoses; 1 in 5 (20.1%) had 2 or more comorbid psychiatric diagnoses. Prevalence of specific disorders was as follows: lifetime and current major depressive episode, 35.4%and 14.7%, respectively; suicidality, 20.2%; generalized anxiety disorder, 7.9%; posttraumatic stress disorder, 9.8%; alcohol dependence, 11.2%; and nonalcohol psychoactive substance use dependence, 15.2%.

This is likely a large part of it. A lot of co-morbid mental health issues.

Also suicide rates are actually higher for trans people after transitioning (not right after, but I think it was 5/10 years later..will find the study in a bit) so it does not actually reduce the suicide rate at all. It does short term, proabbly the same was that someone with BDD having plastic surgery makes them feel better for a short period of time.

As for the question in the OP..I really do not know. I do agree life saving treatments should come first tbh but who decides whats life saving? I think its ridiculous that some kids with cancer have to be crowdfunding for treatments whilst boob jobs and such are given out though. I think there needs to be more studies done on transgender people and the medical outcomes of various treatments though, to understand it all better as it does not seem that surrect treatment regimes actually do work. Research into detransitioners was blocked recently...its odd.

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4882090/


This is likely a large part of it. A lot of co-morbid mental health issues.

Also suicide rates are actually higher for trans people after transitioning (not right after, but I think it was 5/10 years later..will find the study in a bit) so it does not actually reduce the suicide rate at all. It does short term, proabbly the same was that someone with BDD having plastic surgery makes them feel better for a short period of time.

As for the question in the OP..I really do not know. I do agree life saving treatments should come first tbh but who decides whats life saving? I think its ridiculous that some kids with cancer have to be crowdfunding for treatments whilst boob jobs and such are given out though. I think there needs to be more studies done on transgender people and the medical outcomes of various treatments though, to understand it all better as it does not seem that surrect treatment regimes actually do work. Research into detransitioners was blocked recently...its odd.

Those figures are based on research in the 50s. More than 90% of people who surgically transition are happy. Again, it’s medically accepted around the world as the right treatment route. Have you thought about this though: imagine transitioning and then still living in a world where people call you “he” and “him”, make fun of how you look, and don’t treat you with dignity. Do you think that might make someone depressed?
Personally, I think that reaction by OTHERS would wear me down - even though I personally had done everythjng I could to be happy. So, as one of the “others”, why can’t we just treat people with respect and stop denigrating them?

This article explains, with sources https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6160626

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4882090/


This is likely a large part of it. A lot of co-morbid mental health issues.

Also suicide rates are actually higher for trans people after transitioning (not right after, but I think it was 5/10 years later..will find the study in a bit) so it does not actually reduce the suicide rate at all. It does short term, proabbly the same was that someone with BDD having plastic surgery makes them feel better for a short period of time.

As for the question in the OP..I really do not know. I do agree life saving treatments should come first tbh but who decides whats life saving? I think its ridiculous that some kids with cancer have to be crowdfunding for treatments whilst boob jobs and such are given out though. I think there needs to be more studies done on transgender people and the medical outcomes of various treatments though, to understand it all better as it does not seem that surrect treatment regimes actually do work. Research into detransitioners was blocked recently...its odd.

Detransitioning's an interesting one, I've looked into that too and it's hard to really find much on it, but from what I've seen there's actually a lot of people who detransition and then later transition back again... de-de-transitioning (I say 'a lot' but the figures for trans people is small to start with never mind detransitioners.) But from individual accounts the reasons for detransitioning seem to be mainly because of difficulties in life after transitioning, relationships with loved ones breaking down, problems within careers, etc etc, rather than actually being because they are no longer trans or incorrectly diagnosed (although that could also be possible for some). So it's like weighing up the struggle of coping with gender dysphoria and presenting as their biological sex, with struggling post-op for whatever reason, but then like I say for a lot of them the dysphoria ends up increasing again after detransitioning and they try again, (and I wonder if these people are still included in figures of detransitioners). And perhaps a part of it could be down to some of them not being fully mentally prepared for such a change and they end up needing more time I don't know. Completely off topic sorry

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Detransitioning's an interesting one, I've looked into that too and it's hard to really find much on it, but from what I've seen there's actually a lot of people who detransition and then later transition back again... de-de-transitioning (I say 'a lot' but the figures for trans people is small to start with never mind detransitioners.) But from individual accounts the reasons for detransitioning seem to be mainly because of difficulties in life after transitioning, relationships with loved ones breaking down, problems within careers, etc etc, rather than actually being because they are no longer trans or incorrectly diagnosed (although that could also be possible for some). So it's like weighing up the struggle of coping with gender dysphoria and presenting as their biological sex, with struggling post-op for whatever reason, but then like I say for a lot of them the dysphoria ends up increasing again after detransitioning and they try again, (and I wonder if these people are still included in figures of detransitioners). And perhaps a part of it could be down to some of them not being fully mentally prepared for such a change and they end up needing more time I don't know. Completely off topic sorry

My advice: talk to someone who’s actually transgender/transsexual. There are lots of studies funded by religious, conservative or radical feminist groups that go on about detransitiing. Actually, it’s very uncommon. But it helps portray people who ate transgender as being simply confused, or mixed up. And puts a wuestion over whether funding surgery is worthwhile. You find what you look for on the internet.

Here’s a link. Sub heafing number 3 Regret is uncommon https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6160626

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marches

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.e...port-Final.pdf

Study conducted in California about transgender suicide rates, with 42% for trans women and 46% for trans men

There’s a bunch of other articles if you search gender dysphoria sucide rates which basically confirm those rates

Keep in mind in California the sucide rate averaged at around 9.4-11% over the years

no i meant

"insane psychological torture" and "plagues all the people suffering with it"

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[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no i meant

"insane psychological torture" and "plagues all the people suffering with it"

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Oh please make it stop