[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

His message is simple: EQUALITY. Equality not special treatment. Equality for men, women and the LGBT Community. It's simple really.

well said

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So this thread basically boils down to 'you're intolerant if you don't accept Ann's intolerance!' and the downplaying of Ann's crusade against the gays.

No it's about trying to understand what Shane's message is exactly.

And also asking why, after having friendly discussions with Ann directly about her views, does he not continue those discussions with her instead of talking about her and her views behind her back.

If he wants to change her mind, he'd be better off doing it when she is actually there to participate in those conversations

They always discuss things like mature, friendly adults together, so it's not like she isn't open to discussion with him.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Ann represented Maidstone and they voted for her time and time again.

Have you ever been there?

They voted for her because it's a strong Tory seat and safe for them. Even if they'd put a cat or dog up in Maidstone and The Weald they'd win. So, no Ann isn't special she is just another Swivel Eyed Loon Tory in a 100% safe Tory seat.

[girlfighter1992]

His message is a very good one actually no matter what sexuality, gender everybody should be equal.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Greg!

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

Her morals and beliefs and no one should think they have a right to tell her they are wrong

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

No it's about trying to understand what Shane's message is exactly.

And also asking why, after having friendly discussions with Ann directly about her views, does he not continue those discussions with her instead of talking about her and her views behind her back.

If he wants to change her mind, he'd be better off doing it when she is actually there to participate in those conversations

They always discuss things like mature, friendly adults together, so it's not like she isn't open to discussion with him.

I doubt he could change anyones views ,he's just a little creep who dresses as a woman for a living

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

His message is simple: EQUALITY. Equality not special treatment. Equality for men, women and the LGBT Community. It's simple really.

Not simple if he hasn't said it.

But if that's true, then most of us already agree with that message.

And if he thinks Ann doesn't agree, why isn't he talking about it with her like he used to do?

Not very equal to discuss her and her views behind her back, denying her a right to reply.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by girlfighter1992

His message is a very good one actually no matter what sexuality, gender everybody should be equal.

Yes what a great role model talking about how he'd have sex on TV . And using the excuse of "I'm not ashamed of my body" BS .

[Livia]

We've a whole community of Muslims in this country who agree with the death penalty for gays. It's easier, though, to start a hate campaign against a Catholic with vaguely similar, but far more moderate views.

Trying to make people more accepting by being less accepting of them is like trying to f * * * someone into virginity.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

She has not been in politics for 8 years. how on earth do you know her views now

8 years ago you were a child, for instance and i am sure your views have changed?

I'm pretty sure her anti-LGBT voting was spread over more than eight years, surely if her views would change, it would happen while she's in the political arena instead of out?
That said, she's been spending her time as a "celebrity" which probably exposed her to more LGBT people than her time as an MP would have.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm pretty sure her anti-LGBT voting was spread over more than eight years, surely if her views would change, it would happen while she's in the political arena instead of out?
That said, she's been spending her time as a "celebrity" which probably exposed her to more LGBT people than her time as an MP would have.

Why should she change HER views ?

[Denver]

For young gay men to try it on with straight guys and get battered because of it

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Why should she change HER views ?

Did I say she should?

[clairefromsomewhereinnort]

No he combats Ann s bigotry on it, who s blockled so much fun i don t know why people can t see that. He doesn t raise it first usually it s soc sf Ann s face pulls and eye rolls, her unkind gestsures when she says she values people being kind that is so hypocritical that s what forces Shane J to try to explain gay and trans people.

i think Shane J s main message is love is love it doesn t matter if its between two people of the same gender and that as is summed up in Lady Gaga s song we were " Born this way", so nothing wrong with it and it s not our fault not a choice, we were born this way. i think that s the clear message that i m surprised people aren t able to see if they can t ?

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Livia

We've a whole community of Muslims in this country who agree with the death penalty for gays. It's easier, though, to start a hate campaign against a Catholic with vaguely similar, but far more moderate views.

Trying to make people more accepting by being less accepting of them is like trying to f * * * someone into virginity.

Spot on with style as always, Livia

Reminds me of this cartoon :

https://me.me/i/i-dont-believe-that-...think-15224013

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Did I say she should?

" surely if her views would change, it would happen while she's in the political arena instead of out "

Theres no one walking this earth that could change my views on anything I believe in ,and Im glad Ann wont be swayed either ,and esp by a jumped up cheap drag queen

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Livia

We've a whole community of Muslims in this country who agree with the death penalty for gays. It's easier, though, to start a hate campaign against a Catholic with vaguely similar, but far more moderate views.

Trying to make people more accepting by being less accepting of them is like trying to f * * * someone into virginity.

Like I said Ann's religion is an easy target , even Maggie had a go at her about the child abuse scandals in SOME churches .

And Shane J was moaning about her views on female priests .

I know if a Muslim or Jew went into the BB house with similar views they would not be picked on like Ann has . They'd have to just accept the views in fear of being seen as "islamphobic" or "anti-Semitic" .

They treat Ann like some evil figure who condemns people , Shane J actually referred to her as "a villain" . He's such a daft tool bag .

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

" surely if her views would change, it would happen while she's in the political arena instead of out "

Theres no one walking this earth that could change my views on anything I believe in ,and Im glad Ann wont be swayed either ,and esp by a jumped up cheap drag queen

That doesn't imply I think her views should change. I may as well have said "if she was going to drink champagne, you'd think it would be while she could get it comped in the House of Commons bar"

I didn't opine over whether or not her views should change, I just commented on when they'd be likely to change.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Like I said Ann's religion is an easy target , even Maggie had a go at her about the child abuse scandals in SOME churches .

And Shane J was moaning about her views on female priests .

I know if a Muslim or Jew went into the BB house with similar views they would not be picked on like Ann has . They'd have to just accept the views in fear of being seen as "islamphobic" or "anti-Semitic" .

They treat Ann like some evil figure who condemns people , Shane J actually referred to her as "a villain" . He's such a daft tool bag .

Sadly the media perpetuates this double-standard

OK to challenge and mock Christianity, but not other religions.

So much for equality!!

[y.winter]

Thinking about it after seeing the posts in this thread - is it voting for a specific set of views or are we voting for more than that? I'm quite sure it's the latter.
I don't think anyone here is against gay rights or equality, so there's no arguing about Shane J's message.
From this point onwards, it's the added value that the housemate brings with him/her.
If it was solely the message of equality, then I don't see how the rest of the house (minus Ann in some things) are less worthy than Shane J.
For me Shane J has nothing to offer other than the message that he brings with him - while other housemates who share the same views, have given more depth to their own character.
Shane J just doesn't have exclusivity on the LGBT and equality message, nor he should win for it like he's the only one in the house who holds it.
A vote for Shane J is simply a vote for Shane J...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Sadly the media perpetuates this double-standard

OK to challenge and mock Christianity, but not other religions.

So much for equality!!

It's unbelievable . Exactly equality goes out the window !! .

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by y.winter

Thinking about it after seeing the posts in this thread - is it voting for a specific set of views or are we voting for more than that? I'm quite sure it's the latter.
I don't think anyone here is against gay rights or equality, so there's no arguing about Shane J's message.
From this point onwards, it's the added value that the housemate brings with him/her.
If it was solely the message of equality, then I don't see how the rest of the house (minus Ann in some things) are less worthy than Shane J.
For me Shane J has nothing to offer other than the message that he brings with him - while other housemates who share the same views, have given more depth to their own character.
Shane J just doesn't have exclusivity on the LGBT and equality message, nor he should win for it like he's the only one in the house who holds it.
A vote for Shane J is simply a vote for Shane J...

Very good point

Even my gay mates reckon he is using the whole LGBT issue simply to boost himself

Trivialises the seriousness of gay rights when people use it for their own personal gain, i can see their point

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Ann represented Maidstone and they voted for her time and time again.

Have you ever been there?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

His message is simple: EQUALITY. Equality not special treatment. Equality for men, women and the LGBT Community. It's simple really.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

We've a whole community of Muslims in this country who agree with the death penalty for gays. It's easier, though, to start a hate campaign against a Catholic with vaguely similar, but far more moderate views.

Trying to make people more accepting by being less accepting of them is like trying to f * * * someone into virginity.

This is so true Livia,why is such hatred not aimed at them.