[Tom4784]

I'm quite offended that my sexuality is considered on the same level as having a kink and polygamy.

I'll just stick to LGBT....

[Firewire]

when someone questions your polyamory

[y.winter]

Oh dear, I was talking about the chase after making LGBT into a never ending acronym. The subliminal suggestion that it's just pure lgbtphobia is just an exaggeration, as I didn't say any of it. People can be whoever they want and they're not less valid, yet that's not the point in what I said.

[Jamie89]

Thinking about the kink thing more, I wonder what the aim of it's inclusion is? Because with most/all of these things it's probably about bringing them more into the mainstream (rather than being about rights) I'd guess, but should kinks be mainstream? There's probably even a lot of sub categories with kinks so I'm not trying to say it's all the same, one of my friends (and his husband) are actually really into this stuff and have a 'kink room' and there's nothing wrong with it, but some of the stuff is definitely anti social, some of it's about causing pain, and including it in the LGBT thing is sort of putting it in a social arena, isn't it? When really it's about acts that you carry out in private. Unless I'm missing the point of it. (also if kinky were to become 'normal' then it would no longer be kinky ) I also don't really like how it makes LGBT+ seem more about sex rather than being about sexuality/gender

[bots]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Thinking about the kink thing more, I wonder what the aim of it's inclusion is? Because with most/all of these things it's probably about bringing them more into the mainstream (rather than being about rights) I'd guess, but should kinks be mainstream? There's probably even a lot of sub categories with kinks so I'm not trying to say it's all the same, one of my friends (and his husband) are actually really into this stuff and have a 'kink room' and there's nothing wrong with it, but some of the stuff is definitely anti social, some of it's about causing pain, and including it in the LGBT thing is sort of putting it in a social arena, isn't it? When really it's about acts that you carry out in private. Unless I'm missing the point of it. (also if kinky were to become 'normal' then it would no longer be kinky ) I also don't really like how it makes LGBT+ seem more about sex rather than being about sexuality/gender

i think what they are trying to put forward is that kinky people are born kinky and its not a conscious choice that they have ... but doesn't everyone have a degree of kink in them to some extent..... it could be something as simple as liking leather, it doesn't need to be pain, bondage and humiliation

[Marches]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think what they are trying to put forward is that kinky people are born kinky and its not a conscious choice that they have ... but doesn't everyone have a degree of kink in them to some extent..... it could be something as simple as liking leather, it doesn't need to be pain, bondage and humiliation

Where do we draw the line with this? What’s stopping these people from including pedophiles in the lgbt soup?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Thinking about the kink thing more, I wonder what the aim of it's inclusion is? Because with most/all of these things it's probably about bringing them more into the mainstream (rather than being about rights) I'd guess, but should kinks be mainstream? There's probably even a lot of sub categories with kinks so I'm not trying to say it's all the same, one of my friends (and his husband) are actually really into this stuff and have a 'kink room' and there's nothing wrong with it, but some of the stuff is definitely anti social, some of it's about causing pain, and including it in the LGBT thing is sort of putting it in a social arena, isn't it? When really it's about acts that you carry out in private. Unless I'm missing the point of it. (also if kinky were to become 'normal' then it would no longer be kinky ) I also don't really like how it makes LGBT+ seem more about sex rather than being about sexuality/gender

Yeah was just coming in to say that aswell, what rights are people who are into kinky stuff looking for exactly? Why does the world need to acknowledge what type of sex they enjoy, seriously?

[Jessica.]

Where is the D for Demisexual, I don't feel represented? When will the segregation end?

But seriously, I think LGBTQ+ has always been enough, I don't get why stuff always gets added on. I've seen so many variations of it.

[Smithy]

Fun fact LGBT initially stood for Lady Gaga, bears and twinks

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Fun fact LGBT initially stood for Lady Gaga, bears and twinks

No it stands for lady gags broken thigh

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Firewire

No it stands for lady gags broken thigh

It was her hip you flop

[RileyH]

Originally Posted by Firewire

No it stands for lady gags broken thigh

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Fun fact LGBT initially stood for Lady Gaga, bears and twinks

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Fun fact LGBT initially stood for Lady Gaga, bears and twinks

when will LGBTRW? Lesbians, Gays, Trans, Bi and Real Women

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Ja$e

Somebody just referred to "LGBTQIAPK" on Twitter so I raced to Google.

Now I knew LGBTQ but is "IAPK" a new thing or..



Can somebody explain why being kinky is now included with being lesbian/gay/bi/trans/etc? I really don't get it.

50 Shades did that?

[Firewire]

There's no H in LGBT tho!

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Firewire

There's no H in LGBT tho!

Hypersexuality to be included in the next addition?

[Smithy]

Guess you shouldn’t have made the ****e joke then hen!!

[Smithy]

Leave the jokes to me girls you’re not doing anyone any favours

[GoldHeart]

So next it will be the whole alphabet LGBTACDEFHIJKMNOPQRSUVWXYZ

[Vicky.]

It is so wide now that it covers nearly all people on earth, which means realistically the whole thing is pointless. Asexual people, how the **** are they discriminated against? Noone is going to beat you in the street for NOT having sex. its just ridiculous really. And I mentioned on a thread recently about this 'Kink' push to be added, again thats stupid 'Kinky' people should be being 'kinky' behind closed doors, so noone would even know they were 'kinky' and if they are practicing their kinks in public or involving members of the public against their will then they are a bit sick and should not be expecting for their behavior to be considered 'normal' (I guess part of 'kink' could be having sex in public or something though...ugh). Look at all the stuff thats included under 'kink'..basically anything besides having sex with the lights off in missionary 24/7

https://www.glamour.com/story/a-to-z-kinks-and-fetishes

And as Niamh said last time this was brought up...age play is creepy as ****.

Everyone seems to want to tell the world about their fetishes. And I think its really wrong to be associating LGB people with simply having fetishes to be quite honest. I would add T on there, but many many of the group currently under the transgender umbrella ARE simply fetishists. So I would say that associating gay, lesbian, bi and transsexual (and intersex) people in with fetishists it pretty wrong. And transsexual needs to be transsexual again else transsexual people are lumped in with fetishists both for 'transgender' and the LGBTALPHABET.

People just want to jump on this to prove how apparently discriminated against they are, and its silly.

Also, so many of my gay friends find queer very offensive. It seems to be mainly the younger generation who have decided its an acceptable term.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It is so wide now that it covers nearly all people on earth, which means realistically the whole thing is pointless. Asexual people, how the **** are they discriminated against? Noone is going to beat you in the street for NOT having sex. its just ridiculous really. And I mentioned on a thread recently about this 'Kink' push to be added, again thats stupid 'Kinky' people should be being 'kinky' behind closed doors, so noone would even know they were 'kinky' and if they are practicing their kinks in public or involving members of the public against their will then they are a bit sick and should not be expecting for their behavior to be considered 'normal' (I guess part of 'kink' could be having sex in public or something though...ugh). Look at all the stuff thats included under 'kink'..basically anything besides having sex with the lights off in missionary 24/7

https://www.glamour.com/story/a-to-z-kinks-and-fetishes

And as Niamh said last time this was brought up...age play is creepy as ****.

Everyone seems to want to tell the world about their fetishes. And I think its really wrong to be associating LGB people with simply having fetishes to be quite honest. I would add T on there, but many many of the group currently under the transgender umbrella ARE simply fetishists. So I would say that associating gay, lesbian, bi and transsexual (and intersex) people in with fetishists it pretty wrong. And transsexual needs to be transsexual again else transsexual people are lumped in with fetishists both for 'transgender' and the LGBTALPHABET.

People just want to jump on this to prove how apparently discriminated against they are, and its silly.

Also, so many of my gay friends find queer very offensive. It seems to be mainly the younger generation who have decided its an acceptable term.

Tea!!

[Maru]

They should make LGBT into an umbrella term at this point and say it includes all letters. Done, futureproofed.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I don't really see the harm in any of it, if anything I suppose it's a good sign that people who maybe in the past wouldn't have wanted to be associated now do? Shows how 'normal' we've become. I think a better approach though would not to have acronyms at all, maybe just use something like Queer as a catch all and use the words (gay/lesbian etc etc) if you're talking about something specific, seems more straight forward. Or have LGBT and then Queer to describe everything else? I dunno, something simpler than a string of letters I can't remember and that are different depending who you ask

Queer is also used for people who like..dye their hair blue and then think this makes them special and discriminated against though

Plus you have to remember that queer was used as an offensive term for a very long time, I know in your generation (and under) it was not really used that way but loads of people were abused with that term and as such would not be wanting to associate themselves with it tbh. Its a bit like expecting black lives matter to call themselves the N word.

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LBG are their own thing and all to do with sexuality and nothing to do with kink or any 'choice'. Could be discriminated against for how they were born. All alike, all SHOULD be together.

T is separate from them all. 'Transgender' is a huge catchall word that encompasses half the planet also and lumps in transsexual people (who do need help and support) with crossdressers and drag queens. Now, crossdressing is a choice, but even if it is somehow innate, its a more like a kink than a sexuality. Neither transsexual nor transgender is a sexuality like LGB. Infact much of the ideology/activism is homophobic (see cotton ceiling) so they should definitely not be joined. But yes, they may suffer discrimination.

Intersex is obviously its own thing too, but yes they could be discriminated against for how they were born. Nothing to do with sexuality though, and again, its own thing.

Q - utterly pointless term and was used as a slur for a long time too. Not even necessarily about sexuality and many straight white people describe themselves as queer just so they can feel special. Another catchall that if most people tried hard enough, they could include themselves under. Should disappear totally tbh

Assexual, polygamy and such, just...they will not be discriminated against..as unless you actually told someone, noone would know, so I don't understand adding these at all.

2spirit (on one of the alphabet soups)...just wtf, again nothing to do with LGB

Kink, **** off trying to make your sexual choices something to do with everyone else. Seriously..noone cares unless you decide to start walking around town in a gimp suit o r pop your 'yoni eggs' out in the middle of a restaurant.

So yeah, I think many many groups are just piggybacking on the LGB movement to get a slice of the 'discrimination' pie when many of them have not suffered discrimination and probably never will . People know there is huge support for LGB people now, and want to use that to further their own interests, which I find pretty insidious, if I am honest. And the constant watering down of LGB is making the whole thing a bit of a joke. And its certainly not a good thing to be making out that LGB and 'kink' have anything in common when kink is absolutely a choice and LGB people have fought like, forever to get people to understand that their sexuality is NOT a choice.

Long post, sorry. Went on a rant again

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Queer is also used for people who like..dye their hair blue and then think this makes them special and discriminated against though

Plus you have to remember that queer was used as an offensive term for a very long time, I know in your generation (and under) it was not really used that way but loads of people were abused with that term and as such would not be wanting to associate themselves with it tbh. Its a bit like expecting black lives matter to call themselves the N word

Queer was used as a slur but I thought the point was they had reclaimed it the same way the n word has been

I've seen it used most often by those on the far left tbh who connect it to radical politics