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GoldHeart · 20-02-2018, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope I'm explaining another way to look at some very inventive journalism, please don't accuse me of anything MTVN.

Okay Kizzy to play devils advocate ,we all know men can be in a tricky situation if they get flirtatious with women they fancy . A woman won't face the same repercussions if a man isn't interested in them.

But Brendan has admitted he overstepped the line and clearly he harassed some women, who he wasn't even dating and he clearly didn't take no for an answer and kept pestering .

Kizzy · 20-02-2018, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Okay Kizzy to play devils advocate ,we all know men can be in a tricky situation if they get flirtatious with women they fancy . A woman won't face the same repercussions if a man isn't interested in them.

But Brendan has admitted he overstepped the line and clearly he harassed some women, who he wasn't even dating and he clearly didn't take no for an answer and kept pestering .

Not true at all in any organisation there is the same procedure in relation to equality and diversity as men :/

We don't know what happened, as there was no inquiry.. You've just cobbled that together from bits reported in the media.
He admitted his behaviour towards one woman was inappropriate that's all, and he stepped down at the time.

He has admitted his inappropriate behaviour publically made a conscious effort to show that it was a past mistake as noted by his friends, family, colleagues and MPs.

I don't know what is required here ... for him to wear a millstone of shame for the next 10yrs?
No! you can't run your dead wifes memorial any longer!!... You're not WORTHY! :/

GoldHeart · 20-02-2018, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Not true at all in any organisation there is the same procedure in relation to equality and diversity as men :/

We don't know what happened, as there was no inquiry.. You've just cobbled that together from bits reported in the media.
He admitted his behaviour towards one woman was inappropriate that's all, and he stepped down at the time.

He has admitted his inappropriate behaviour publically made a conscious effort to show that it was a past mistake as noted by his friends, family, colleagues and MPs.

I don't know what is required here ... for him to wear a millstone of shame for the next 10yrs?
No! you can't run your dead wifes memorial any longer!!... You're not WORTHY! :/

I didn't cobble anything together ,I'm going by what I've read . I know he denied 1 allegation but he said he has gone too far . He's not a serial rapist but it sounds like he's been pestering women .

Nobody is saying he should wear a millstone of shame

, why are you defending him so much?. And I didn't say women don't get told off but it's not treated as serious as when a man is accused. And the reason this has come out more publicly is because of the Oxfam scandal .

And you know I'm right as majority of sexual harassment claims are against men, and people forget women sexually harass and overstep the line as well .

Niamh. · 20-02-2018, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I didn't cobble anything together ,I'm going by what I've read . I know he denied 1 allegation but he said he has gone too far . He's not a serial rapist but it sounds like he's been pestering women .

Nobody is saying he should wear a millstone of shame

, why are you defending him so much?. And I didn't say women don't get told off but it's not treated as serious as when a man is accused. And the reason this has come out more publicly is because of the Oxfam scandal .

And you know I'm right as majority of sexual harassment claims are against men, and people forget women sexually harass and overstep the line as well .

No where near as much as men do though

bots · 20-02-2018, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

No where near as much as men do though

ive actually seen some pretty outrageous behaviour from women over the years, it's maybe not done aggressively, but it's there just the same

Kizzy · 20-02-2018, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ive actually seen some pretty outrageous behaviour from women over the years, it's maybe not done aggressively, but it's there just the same

Yes it happens...what's your point in relation to this or were you just stating the obvious?

GoldHeart · 20-02-2018, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

No where near as much as men do though

I'm inclined to agree, but just think about something . If a man cried sexual harassment every time a woman touched him without his permission or tried to grab a kiss again without his permission then I think they'd be quite a few allegations .

But men don't complain or if they do it's not treated as sexual harassment. Plus some are embarrassed and just laugh it off .

On a drunken night out women can blame booze for getting frisky with a man who's clearly not interested, a man can't blame booze as he'll still be called a pervert

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Niamh. · 20-02-2018, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm inclined to agree, but just think about something . If a man cried sexual harassment every time a woman touched him without his permission or tried to grab a kiss again without his permission then I think they'd be quite a few allegations .

But men don't complain or if they do it's not treated as sexual harassment. Plus some are embarrassed and just laugh it off .

On a drunken night out women can blame booze for getting frisky with a man who's clearly not interested, a man can't blame booze as he'll still be called a pervert

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In my experiences this happens alot more with men to women

GoldHeart · 20-02-2018, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

In my experiences this happens alot more with men to women

But Niamh you're forgetting at one time a man could be flirtatious with a woman and ask her out for a drink, now he'll probably be accused of "sexual harassment"

it's the sad truth.

I'm not saying this happens all the time ,but how many women must of had cocky guys try to pursue them for sex and they simply just knock them back and that's the end of it . But today those incidents are brought up by people saying something like "I was sexually harassed back in 1978 etc etc "

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It takes away the seriousness of actual rape victims and proper sexual harassment.

Beso · 20-02-2018, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

No where near as much as men do though

You ever been to wales?

Kizzy · 20-02-2018, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I didn't cobble anything together ,I'm going by what I've read . I know he denied 1 allegation but he said he has gone too far . He's not a serial rapist but it sounds like he's been pestering women .

Nobody is saying he should wear a millstone of shame

, why are you defending him so much?. And I didn't say women don't get told off but it's not treated as serious as when a man is accused. And the reason this has come out more publicly is because of the Oxfam scandal .

And you know I'm right as majority of sexual harassment claims are against men, and people forget women sexually harass and overstep the line as well .

Yes that's exactly what I said, you cobbled it together based on what you've read in the media on this issue.
I'm defending him due to the pitchfork waving going on at the moment, it's ridiculous yes, it's in part due to the Oxfam expose which is why I feel this re visitation of an incident 3yrs previous is unnecessary it's not like he denied it then he admitted it and left his post as did his boss it was splashed across the nationals... where is the benefit bringing it up again just to ruin his life?.. Damage the charities that do so much good work?.. what?

Nobody forgets women can harass men, as I said organisations don't have gender specific policies in relation to that so what that has to do with this discussion I don't know.

Beso · 20-02-2018, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes that's exactly what I said, you cobbled it together based on what you've read in the media on this issue.
I'm defending him due to the pitchfork waving going on at the moment, it's ridiculous yes, it's in part due to the Oxfam expose which is why I feel this re visitation of an incident 3yrs previous is unnecessary it's not like he denied it then he admitted it and left his post as did his boss it was splashed across the nationals... where is the benefit bringing it up again just to ruin his life?.. Damage the charities that do so much good work?.. what?

Nobody forgets women can harass men, as I said organisations don't have gender specific policies in relation to that so what that has to do with this discussion I don't know.

Did you say the same when trump was accused?