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Historically women have had to be carers because they were left holding the baby as it were. In this day and age men are as emotionally capable of caring as women as seen by the number of stay at home Dad's and male nurses in care facilities. It's a trait shared by the sexes, the exception being when either male or female doesn't give a crap about their fellow human beings

The above being the basis for women's roles being pigeon holed for generations, doesn't make it a fact. Each individual has skills that they excel in and others that they suck at. People should just be allowed to do what they get pleasure from doing and let them be.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Historically women have had to be carers because they were left holding the baby as it were. In this day and age men are as emotionally capable of caring as women as seen by the number of stay at home Dad's and male nurses in care facilities. It's a trait shared by the sexes, the exception being when either male or female doesn't give a crap about their fellow human beings

The above being the basis for women's roles being pigeon holed for generations, doesn't make it a fact. Each individual has skills that they excel in and others that they suck at. People should just be allowed to do what they get pleasure from doing and let them be.

I agree.

I've said this before I know... but, my brother took time off work when he kids were little while his wife went back to her career. Worked out brilliantly for them. And it's becoming more and more widespread.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Historically women have had to be carers because they were left holding the baby as it were. In this day and age men are as emotionally capable of caring as women as seen by the number of stay at home Dad's and male nurses in care facilities. It's a trait shared by the sexes, the exception being when either male or female doesn't give a crap about their fellow human beings

The above being the basis for women's roles being pigeon holed for generations, doesn't make it a fact. Each individual has skills that they excel in and others that they suck at. People should just be allowed to do what they get pleasure from doing and let them be.

Yes exactly what I mean be biology influencing social conditioning, it's great to see that changing though especially with fathers and their children, it can only be a positive thing for father and child relationships imo

[Maru]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Historically women have had to be carers because they were left holding the baby as it were. In this day and age men are as emotionally capable of caring as women as seen by the number of stay at home Dad's and male nurses in care facilities. It's a trait shared by the sexes, the exception being when either male or female doesn't give a crap about their fellow human beings

The above being the basis for women's roles being pigeon holed for generations, doesn't make it a fact. Each individual has skills that they excel in and others that they suck at. People should just be allowed to do what they get pleasure from doing and let them be.

Right. Without politicizing those efforts of course... because it's a buzzkill to the the concept of freedom of the sexes. We are an individualist culture and we have a right to pave any path we choose, even if it means they are financially riskier ones... that is our choice in life. Many crafts/talents/positions essentially started as "free" until there was a large enough demand for quality talent in those areas that it warranted a need to pay for those services....

Like daycare now is a income sucking black hole... regardless of that, I am in business for myself so I can raise my children properly, but it is riskier because of the variable income, but with that I get a better work-life balance for my family (and money goes in my pockets, instead of someone elses as I build it up...)

My hypothesis is it will pay off for my kids and it already helps me to be a better wife for my husband who works a stressful job... when I was working outside the home, I worked crazy hours and we rarely saw each other. Hardly saw the point to rearing a family at all then...

Originally Posted by James

There's an effect called the Norwegian Gender Paradox. This is a documentary about it.

Youtube video

The short version of it is that Norway is the country with the most gender equality, but has men and women in traditional male and female jobs the most.

So 90% of nurses are female and 90% of engineers are male.

In countries which are poorer, like India, you get more women as, say engineers. The theory is that where people have more of a choice (like Norway) they do what they want, but in poorer countries they have less choice to do what they want because of financial reasons.

They talk in the video about an experiment where new-born babies (hour-old if I remember) were shown one of two pictures: a face and a shape, and it was recorded which picture interested them most.

The experiment found that girls showed a preference for the face (which suggests empathy) and boys preferred the shape (which suggests a preference of systems).

They think it is because of the influence of testosterone.

I heard about this very recently, so thanks for the link. Will watch this soon.