[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Corbyn tends to be more interested in picking sides than genuinely improving relations though, and those sides are basically anyone who opposes the West

Have you ever been privvy to any meeting either in the mid 80s or today?...
No you haven't therefore your suggestion is as ridiculous as it is irrational.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It was indeed poor judgement and Priti Patel had to resign her cabinet position. I assume Jezza's resignation as leader of his party is imminent?

Why?... Ms Patel had covert meetings with these representatives. Corbyns meetings with the person in question are well documented so where is the subterfuge?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have you ever been privvy to any meeting either in the mid 80s or today?...
No you haven't therefore your suggestion is as ridiculous as it is irrational.

Nice

Sorry for daring to question the integrity of Saint Jez

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Nice

Sorry for daring to question the integrity of Saint Jez

Welcome to tibb SD.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why?... Ms Patel had covert meetings with these representatives. Corbyns meetings with the person in question are well documented so where is the subterfuge?

You were the one who said it was no different.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It was indeed poor judgement and Priti Patel had to resign her cabinet position. I assume Jezza's resignation as leader of his party is imminent?

Priti Patel was in government as a Minister,when she made bad judgement AND set out to deceive her Prime Minister by not telling her the full account of things.

A world away from a lowly backbencher barely in parliament for only a few years,who on paper met some people,some not all,considered possibly unsavoury.
A backbencher of a weak opposition party at the time too.

Now people can decide not to vote for him due to rumour and dubious sources of the information against him.

However Priti Patel's deliberate deceit to her Prime Minister is what got her sacked.
She was still originally left in position even after the questionable judgement of her meetings on a holiday were known, until it became known she had not informed her leader and PM everything.

Totally different to this,as yet unsubstantiated as to anything done wrong at all story,relating to Corbyn.

[jet]

Corbyn, a suspected anti - British, anti establishment figure has several meetings with an eastern bloc ‘diplomat’, and some see nothing at all dodgy there. It was the time of the Cold War, and large numbers of previous ‘diplomats’ had been expelled for espionage. Politicians and civil servants were warned about their activities and were wary of any approaches because of those previous discoveries.
Any politician would have had to be thick to not automatically suspect any approach by an eastern bloc ‘diplomat’, unless they supported their cause of course. So which was it - in this instance was Corbyn corrupt or blindingly stupid? Take your pick.
I’d go for both. Shady as hell as usual, and there is probably a record of a note somewhere by the diplomat saying ‘met a stupid idiot called Corbyn today - could be a useful idiot'....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Nice

Sorry for daring to question the integrity of Saint Jez

You're forgiven, just remember to apply a little objectivity eh?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You were the one who said it was no different.

And... What's your point here?

[bitontheslide]

Jeremy Corbyn should be "open and transparent" about his alleged contacts with a Communist spy during the 1980s, Theresa May has suggested.

Asked about claims a Czech intelligence officer met and tried to recruit Mr Corbyn during the Cold War, she said MPs must "account" for past actions.

The Labour Party has said claims he was an agent were a "ridiculous smear".

Czech officials say files show he was a "person of interest" but was never a secret collaborator or an informer.

Files held by the Czech Security Service Archive, first reported by the Sun, detail contacts Mr Corbyn is alleged to have had with a Czechoslovakian diplomat and agent in London in 1986 and 1987.

Jan Sarkocy told the newspaper he met Mr Corbyn on several occasions, including in the House of Commons, while he was working undercover in the London Embassy under the name of Jan Dymic.

At an event in Derby, the prime minister was asked whether she agreed with her defence secretary Gavin Williamson that Mr Corbyn's file - which reportedly gives insights into his character and views on foreign policy issues from the time - should now be released so people could make up their own mind about the claims.

"It is for individual members of Parliament to be accountable for their actions in the past," she replied.

"Where there are allegations of this sort, MPs should be prepared to be open and transparent."

'Possible contact'
The director of the Czech Security Service Archive told the BBC that their files suggest Mr Corbyn was seen as a possible "contact" but no more than that.

"Mr Corbyn was not a secret collaborator working for the Czechoslovak intelligence service," Svetlana Ptacnikova said. "The files we have on him are kept in a folder that starts with the identification number one.

"Secret collaborators were allocated folders that start with the number four. If he had been successfully recruited as an informer, then his person of interest file would have been closed, and a new one would have been opened, and that would have started with the number four."

She added: "He stayed in that basic category - and in fact he's still described as that, as a person of interest, in the final report issued by the StB agent shortly before he [the agent] was expelled from the UK."

Labour has acknowledged Mr Corbyn met Czechoslovakian and other diplomats "for a cup of tea" but said Mr Sarkocy's accounts of his meetings with him had "no credibility whatsoever".

In a statement released when the Sun's initial report was published, Labour said "the claim that Jeremy Corbyn was an agent, asset or informer for any intelligence agency is entirely false and a ridiculous smear".

"Jeremy neither has nor offered any privileged information to this or any other diplomat," it added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43111794
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Jeremy does seem to share a cup of tea with lots of dodgy characters, whether that be middle eastern terrorists, ira terrorists or communist states

[joeysteele]

I think most politicians of all parties in their time will share cups of tea over the years even a meal with people they know little about,or who may even be dubious characters.

If that's the real worst he's done here,the nit picking is really sliding into deeper than just a gutter.

[Northern Monkey]

Would love to be a fly on the wall at one of Jezzas ‘tea’ parties.Bet his pals have some right stories to tell

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Would love to be a fly on the wall at one of Jezzas ‘tea’ parties.Bet his pals have some right stories to tell

Especially the terrorists such as the IRA and Hamas!

[Kizzy]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...igence-experts

[Mystic Mock]

The source that it's coming from is dodgy as these Newspapers have a clear pro-Tory agenda that most of us can see.

However Corbyn does hold alot of Communist views so it wouldn't be a massive surprise if he supported the Russians at the time.

[MTVN]

Stasi files obtained by Guido reveal that a peace group run by Jeremy Corbyn was infiltrated by East German spies and was encouraged by East German officials into promoting GDR policies at Labour conference and in the House of Commons. The group was also infiltrated by a spy from the Czech security service who stood as a Labour candidate.

Full story: https://order-order.com/2018/02/21/s...-german-spies/

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...igence-experts

That doesn't mean much. Comrade Cobb is confident that nothing will come of his meetings with an Eastern bloc spy because, fortunately for him, he likely had zilch of any use to pass on to them. However, the fact that he was targeted by an agent speaks volumes about where they knew his sympathies lay, though the supposedly naive like to gloss over this with all sorts of excuses for their bearded saviour, as per usual.

The 68-year-old Opposition Leader admits meeting “a Czech diplomat” in Parliament, but denies passing him any privileged information.
Speaking to The Sun, former head of MI6 Sir Richard Dearlove described the approaches to Mr Corbyn as “a classic cultivation”, after studying the archive documents that we published.

Sir Richard, who was one of Britain’s best Czechoslovakia experts during the Cold War, said: “Either Jeremy Corbyn was incredibly naïve or he knew exactly what was happening to him, so he was complicit in all this”.
Sir Richard, who lead MI6 from 1999-2004, was also the Secret Intelligence Service’s head of station in Prague in the 1970s…...
…..The ex-spymaster added: “These are genuine documents which shows he was targeted and the case was advanced, at a time when a very unpleasant Czech regime was persecuting dissidents. They were the enemies of the West.
“They wouldn’t have targeted him unless they believed he was a Communist fellow traveller.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/559023...claims-labour/

Indeed...and quite rightly all these growing pointers that he was vehemently anti British and consorted with all sorts of undesirables will inevitably lose Labour the next election (if they don't find somebody decent to oust him in time).
The pointers, in big neon lights, will only be ignored by the wilfully stubborn and purposefully naive, which thankfully most people aren't inclined to be. The old duffer (who never had a proper job) can retire and sip tea to his hearts content and reminisce about his Commie and terrorist supporting days.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Stasi files obtained by Guido reveal that a peace group run by Jeremy Corbyn was infiltrated by East German spies and was encouraged by East German officials into promoting GDR policies at Labour conference and in the House of Commons. The group was also infiltrated by a spy from the Czech security service who stood as a Labour candidate.

Full story: https://order-order.com/2018/02/21/s...-german-spies/

And... Even if it was how is that anything to do with Corbyn?
Groups were infiltrated with spies all the time there was an expose a while ago how govt agents infiltrated groups married the members and had families with them.

How are you to counter that, don't start any progressive groups, do a in depth study on every member?

There is no evidence to suggest that there was any pro East Germany lobbying at the time is there?

This is yet another Labour leader that the right wing media are portraying as pro Russian militants they've done it with every one! Someone is getting very worried at the possibility of Labour being back in power and this is the tried and tested method to sway public confidence..Only this time not as many are as gullible.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

That doesn't mean much. Comrade Cobb is confident that nothing will come of his meetings with an Eastern bloc spy because, fortunately for him, he likely had zilch of any use to pass on to them. However, the fact that he was targeted by an agent speaks volumes about where they knew his sympathies lay, though the supposedly naive like to gloss over this with all sorts of excuses for their bearded saviour, as per usual.



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/559023...claims-labour/

Indeed...and quite rightly all these growing pointers that he was vehemently anti British and consorted with all sorts of undesirables will inevitably lose Labour the next election (if they don't find somebody decent to oust him in time).
The pointers, in big neon lights, will only be ignored by the wilfully stubborn and purposefully naive, which thankfully most people aren't inclined to be. The old duffer (who never had a proper job) can retire and sip tea to his hearts content and reminisce about his Commie and terrorist supporting days.

Exactly he had nothing to offer them he knew nothing... nothing about thatchers wardrobe nothing about live aid, nothing!
So why is he under so much scrutiny?

He was just one of many diplomats and MPs meeting people to facilitate better communication between governments, that's what they do.
That's how the cold war ended, that's how the Irish peace process developed with representatives discussing issues of mutual importance.

I fail to see what he has done here, as far as I can see it's just the right wing media throwing **** in the vain hope that some sticks!

If this was a one off incident then I could see the concern but it happens every single time Labour are close to power, the guy had met with these people years ago so where was the furore then, he has stood as an MP in his constituency countless times... why was it not an issue then a matter of national importance?..... Because it isn't!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And... Even if it was how is that anything to do with Corbyn?
Groups were infiltrated with spies all the time there was an expose a while ago how govt agents infiltrated groups married the members and had families with them.

How are you to counter that, don't start any progressive groups, do a in depth study on every member?

There is no evidence to suggest that there was any pro East Germany lobbying at the time is there?

This is yet another Labour leader that the right wing media are portraying as pro Russian militants they've done it with every one! Someone is getting very worried at the possibility of Labour being back in power and this is the tried and tested method to sway public confidence..Only this time not as many are as gullible.

I'm afraid its some Corbyn supporters who are looking very gullible, and have been for some time. He didn't do this, he didn't do that, he's innocence personified, he's wonderful, I love him etc etc etc.
Plenty of people who want Labour back in power can no longer stomach him and Labour are doomed with Corbyn at the helm. There will be plenty more to come out the nearer he gets to Downing St, mark my words. There is many a story being sat on at present because it is believed he is going to do the job for them and hang himself. Labour needs to find a strong candidate sooner rather than later and get rid of their downfall Corbyn pronto.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Exactly he had nothing to offer them he knew nothing... nothing about thatchers wardrobe nothing about live aid, nothing!
So why is he under so much scrutiny?

He was just one of many diplomats and MPs meeting people to facilitate better communication between governments, that's what they do.
That's how the cold war ended, that's how the Irish peace process developed with representatives discussing issues of mutual importance.

I fail to see what he has done here, as far as I can see it's just the right wing media throwing **** in the vain hope that some sticks!

If this was a one off incident then I could see the concern but it happens every single time Labour are close to power, the guy had met with these people years ago so where was the furore then, he has stood as an MP in his constituency countless times... why was it not an issue then a matter of national importance?..... Because it isn't!

Are you really that naive and clueless about Corbyn's agenda's? STILL?

[Northern Monkey]

The PM made a funny about this today at PMQ’s.

Something about Labour wanting to sign a blank cheque and we all know he likes Czechs.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The PM made a funny about this today at PMQ’s.

Something about Labour wanting to sign a blank cheque and we all know he likes Czechs.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The PM made a funny about this today at PMQ’s.

Something about Labour wanting to sign a blank cheque and we all know he likes Czechs.

I left saying anything as to that to 2 of my Conservative supporting friends watching it with me but like me irritated she'll never really answer questions.


They however said and I now sort of agree with them,she played into his hands with that.
They believe,and they can't stand him,that this will do him no harm at all.
Just like when he stood his ground in the Labour leadership challenges.
They believe many voters will admire his dignified aporoach to dealing with same,while their party raise the issue,drawing the attention to the rabid press playing the game too.

Which actually worries them immensely.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The PM made a funny about this today at PMQ’s.

Something about Labour wanting to sign a blank cheque and we all know he likes Czechs.

Oh the PM is attempting to give credence to fake news now?...

Tries to be surprised....fails :/