[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Ouch - you sound very bitter. You don’t have to go to uni to get a well paid job or get a mortgage. Get an apprenticeship and when qualified you can earn enough to get a mortgage if you manage your money properly. Too many people today want it all at once and for free. Older generations saved and went without to own their own house - many today aren’t prepared to do that.

Why should those that don’t go to uni pay for those that do - who will reap the financial rewards and earn more than those that paid for it for them. Is that your idea of fair? Sounds pretty damn selfish to me.

I'm sorry but that's bs
your average person in full time employment can't just save and buy a house anymore have you checked average house price vs. average pay recently?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I'm sorry but that's bs
your average person in full time employment can't just save and buy a house anymore have you checked average house price vs. average pay recently?

So why should the average person pay for your education so you can buy a house? You want a house , you pay for it. Makes sense to me.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So why should the average person pay for your education so you can buy a house? You want a house , you pay for it. Makes sense to me.

lol. no young person can't afford a house, no matter if they go to uni or not
the worst thing is that you must know that very well, but argue anyway to defend the indefensible,
young people of today have much harder start in life than previous generations, but saying that would prevent from lazy argument about young people wanting everything for free and supporting labour
if we can't agree on hard economic facts then there's no point prolonging this farce of a debate

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

lol. no young person can't afford a house, no matter if they go to uni or not
the worst thing is that you must know that very well, but argue anyway to defend the indefensible,
young people of today have much harder start in life than previous generations, but saying that would prevent from lazy argument about young people wanting everything for free and supporting labour
if we can't agree on hard economic facts then there's no point prolonging this farce of a debate

I don't recall many young people of my generation, the 70's, 80's and through to the 90's being abe to afford a house either until they were well established in their careers or got married and bought a house with their shared incomes.
I think young people feel the need to leave the parental home a lot earlier too than they did in previous generations, before they have advanced in their jobs and have financial stability and savings.
It's odd, but all the young people I know who are friends of my daughter or sons who didn't go to uni got a better start going straight into an apprenticeship or job than those who went to uni - many of those feel they wasted years and came out to an over crowded job market and are unemployed whereas the ones who didn't are already well established in their jobs, have experience and are earning pretty good to very good wages.
So from what I've seen, many degrees are fairly useless and employers want actual work experience and these students are years behind in that.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't recall many young people of my generation, the 70's, 80's and through to the 90's being abe to afford a house either until they were well established in their careers or got married and bought a house with their shared incomes.
I think young people feel the need to leave the parental home a lot earlier too than they did in previous generations, before they have advanced in their jobs and have financial stability and savings.
It's odd, but all the young people I know who are friends of my daughter or sons who didn't go to uni got a better start going straight into an apprenticeship or job than those who went to uni - many of those feel they wasted years and came out to an over crowded job market and are unemployed whereas the ones who didn't are already well established in their jobs, have experience and are earning pretty good to very good wages.
So from what I've seen, many degrees are fairly useless and employers want actual work experience and these students are years behind in that.

Excellent post Jet and completely correct.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jet

So from what I've seen, many degrees are fairly useless and employers want actual work experience and these students are years behind in that.

I agree. Uni education is often useless.
Don't get it why government can't force universities to limit or expand number of places on different courses according to predicted demand by employers. I know it would take some investment but it would be better way to spend tuition money than reward vice-chancellors with obscene salaries and bonuses.
But even more important is restoring prestige of non-degree technical education and professions.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

lol. no young person can't afford a house, no matter if they go to uni or not
the worst thing is that you must know that very well, but argue anyway to defend the indefensible,
young people of today have much harder start in life than previous generations, but saying that would prevent from lazy argument about young people wanting everything for free and supporting labour
if we can't agree on hard economic facts then there's no point prolonging this farce of a debate

I’m not convinced it’s necessarily Harder but do believe many of this generation want everything now. This generation are not so hot on saving their money and staying in. If they want a house then, then as mentioned in another post, they will have to wait, save and do so with a partner when they have a joint income. Nothing was or is handed on a plate for most. Each generation has it’s difficulties but to whine this generation have it especially hard doesn’t wash with me.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I’m not convinced it’s necessarily Harder but do believe many of this generation want everything now. This generation are not so hot on saving their money and staying in. If they want a house then, then as mentioned in another post, they will have to wait, save and do so with a partner when they have a joint income. Nothing was or is handed on a plate for most. Each generation has it’s difficulties but to whine this generation have it especially hard doesn’t wash with me.

Well, housing crisis is at its worst, house price/salary ratio at its worst, job insecurity as never before, pensionable age increasing, extra debt if you go to uni. I'm sure there's more but can't think of it now.
It's just not true that they have it easy.
I fully understand why they vote Labour, Tories have nothing to offer to them.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Well, housing crisis is at its worst, house price/salary ratio at its worst, job insecurity as never before, pensionable age increasing, extra debt if you go to uni. I'm sure there's more but can't think of it now.
It's just not true that they have it easy.
I fully understand why they vote Labour, Tories have nothing to offer to them.

Are you kidding. Corbyn is a socialist and socialism doesn’t support home ownership. No one will own their own property if Corbyn and his cronies have their way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Well, housing crisis is at its worst, house price/salary ratio at its worst, job insecurity as never before, pensionable age increasing, extra debt if you go to uni. I'm sure there's more but can't think of it now.
It's just not true that they have it easy.
I fully understand why they vote Labour, Tories have nothing to offer to them.

Young people have always voted labour until they get jobs, mortgages and children and then they vote conservative

always happens

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Young people have always voted labour until they get jobs, mortgages and children and then they vote conservative

always happens

When they finally get it.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Young people have always voted labour until they get jobs, mortgages and children and then they vote conservative

always happens

Not really, there used to be an age and education divide, the 2015 election showed that this doesnt really exist anymore, and now theres just a 'household income' divide.

Lets take a deep think about why richer people wanted tories, and not labour in tax and greed

Spoiler:

Also not surprisingly, a newspaper divide