[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The thread isnt about that its about whether you think public services in the UK are on their knees or not

The NHS are very deliberately on their knees. Sorry you didn't understand that.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The NHS are very deliberately on their knees. Sorry you didn't understand that.

The NHS has been in trouble for awhile sadly, hopefully some MP's will rise through the ranks and sort the NHS out.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The NHS has been in trouble for awhile sadly, hopefully some MP's will rise through the ranks and sort the NHS out.

what part?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what part?

All of it!

First they broke the NHS into many parts. They did this in 2012 and confused the surfs by giving them the illusion that 'Trusts' were all about patient choice. Its easier to later dismantle smaller sections than one large part.

Next they started underfunding the now fragmented and partly privatized sections. This ensures the public get angry with the service provider and become resigned to the fact that the NHS can't carry on as it is.

The next thing and something that is an ongoing project at the moment is start charging for certain things like 'out of hours GP surgeries and longer GP appointments. These things have already been proposed.

At the same time they start rolling out health credit https://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/patien...about-phb.aspx Again, under the guise of 'choice' and finally, though we aren't there yet, start rolling out health insurance incentives.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

All of it!

First they broke the NHS into many parts. They did this in 2012 and confused the surfs by giving them the illusion that 'Trusts' were all about patient choice. Its easier to later dismantle smaller sections than one large part.

Next they started underfunding the now fragmented and partly privatized sections. This ensures the public get angry with the service provider and become resigned to the fact that the NHS can't carry on as it is.

The next thing and something that is an ongoing project at the moment is start charging for certain things like 'out of hours GP surgeries and longer GP appointments. These things have already been proposed.

At the same time they start rolling out health credit https://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/patien...about-phb.aspx Again, under the guise of 'choice' and finally, though we aren't there yet, start rolling out health insurance incentives.

So you are saying the the whole of the NHS is on its knees and working as efficiently as it can?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So you are saying the the whole of the NHS is on its knees and working as efficiently as it can?

As a social structure... yes.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what part?

Well I think that the NHS needs more staff first and foremost, there's more patients going into their Hospitals than ever before (due to the higher population nowadays obviously) and they seem to have less people actually working there to help sustain the pressure that the current workers are constantly under, and dare I say it have to then take a priority on which patients to help or not because they haven't got enough workers to try to help everyone.

This tbf has got worse under the Tories, but it did start under Labour and it's all in this weird ambition to have healthcare like the United States who expect you to pay loads of Health Insurance just to have the Doctors save your life, but of course that is a separate discussion.