[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Some people are lucky to have an option of higher education, some people go straight to a low paid job struggle their whole and die without enough to pay for their own funeral.

Lif is hard deal with it!.

You see these kinds of posts sound like envy to me at the fact that Millennials have it "easier" on certain things than past generations.

I sense that some people want Millennials to be in loads of debt and struggling to enjoy their day to day lives and hobbies and basically be a slave to the Government on how much money they have to fork out to Uni fees. I know that not many people will agree with me on this but I don't get why some people don't want Millennials to have what the yesteryear generations had in their younger days.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You see these kinds of posts sound like envy to me at the fact that Millennials have it "easier" on certain things than past generations.

I sense that some people want Millennials to be in loads of debt and struggling to enjoy their day to day lives and hobbies and basically be a slave to the Government on how much money they have to fork out to Uni fees. I know that not many people will agree with me on this but I don't get why some people don't want Millennials to have what the yesteryear generations had in their younger days.

I wondered when someone would try to undermine by throwing in such words as ‘envy’ or ‘jealousy’. It could be that - but it could also be based on pragmatics and the simple fact that people with degrees wil usually earn considerably more than the average wage. Why do you think most go to uni in the first place. It is always about money and lifestyle.

Of course they should pay their debts - they got free education for 18 years - why should they be entitled to more!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I wondered when someone would try to undermine by throwing in such words as ‘envy’ or ‘jealousy’. It could be that - but it could also be based on pragmatics and the simple fact that people with degrees wil usually earn considerably more than the average wage. Why do you think most go to uni in the first place. It is always about money and lifestyle.

Of course they should pay their debts - they got free education for 18 years - why should they be entitled to more!

I'm not against them paying a fee, it's how steep the fee is that's crossing the line, I'm sure I've read a case where someone paid £1K worth of Uni fees, that's insane considering Education should not be that expensive.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm not against them paying a fee, it's how steep the fee is that's crossing the line, I'm sure I've read a case where someone paid £1K worth of Uni fees, that's insane considering Education should not be that expensive.

I’m all for further education and earning a good salary but I feel that at that point, as people will generally benefit considerably from it, they should expect to pay for the privilidge - and it is a privilidge, as another poster said, not everyone will be in the position to do so. But the fact that some don’t even seem to get that and simply see it as an entitlement speaks volumes to me.

Personally I think education is generally expensive but perhaps; if they don’t already, they could link the cost of specific courses to the average earning potential in their particular areas so some courses are more expensive than others. But basically if people want to be high earners they need to pay for the education that will help provide that in my opinion.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Personally I think education is generally expensive but perhaps; if they don’t already, they could link the cost of specific courses to the average earning potential in their particular areas so some courses are more expensive than others. But basically if people want to be high earners they need to pay for the education that will help provide that in my opinion.

Thisnis what really confuses me; the fact that all courses have basically the same (the maximum) fee when the actual content obviously doesn't have the same cost? For example, I've studied a (ridiculous) tonne of things at University. English language and literature, philosophy, psychology, politics, economics, computer science... And many of the courses just aren't comparable if they were to be taken to degree level. For example, philosophy and English literature are VERY light on class time for obvious reasons; a lot of the course is reading, writing essays, and self driven study and that's how it should be and the only way it can be. On the flip side, Computer Science involves dozens of hours of lab time per week, lots of tutorial and face time with staff, access to expensive equipment and software, etc. Psychology, economics, politics fall somewhere in the middle. It doesn't really make sense that a year's tuition for a self driven study course like Philosophy, and a year's tuition for a heavy technical course like CompSci, have the same tuition fee.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Thisnis what really confuses me; the fact that all courses have basically the same (the maximum) fee when the actual content obviously doesn't have the same cost? For example, I've studied a (ridiculous) tonne of things at University. English language and literature, philosophy, psychology, politics, economics, computer science... And many of the courses just aren't comparable if they were to be taken to degree level. For example, philosophy and English literature are VERY light on class time for obvious reasons; a lot of the course is reading, writing essays, and self driven study and that's how it should be and the only way it can be. On the flip side, Computer Science involves dozens of hours of lab time per week, lots of tutorial and face time with staff, access to expensive equipment and software, etc. Psychology, economics, politics fall somewhere in the middle. It doesn't really make sense that a year's tuition for a self driven study course like Philosophy, and a year's tuition for a heavy technical course like CompSci, have the same tuition fee.

It is ridiculous that courses with different earning potentials and different levels of content and related expense cost the same. We agree on that at least. I see no valid reason why different types of courses should all cost the same and any government in charge should exercise common sense and look into that.

No doubt some will say the government do so deliberately for monatory gain, maybe so, but to me with the other issues in this country, that would not be on my list of priorities personally, although to others that would not be the case. I do not however agree that free education at that level should be free for all. It is a priviledge not a right.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You see these kinds of posts sound like envy to me at the fact that Millennials have it "easier" on certain things than past generations.

I sense that some people want Millennials to be in loads of debt and struggling to enjoy their day to day lives and hobbies and basically be a slave to the Government on how much money they have to fork out to Uni fees. I know that not many people will agree with me on this but I don't get why some people don't want Millennials to have what the yesteryear generations had in their younger days.

Back then there were far fewer numbers accepted for uni, and those that were had to pay for accommodation, utilities etc without the benefit of loans, which meant some just couldn't afford to go at all.