[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This is heating up and it is worrying.
I don’t know if i have confidence in either Labour or the Tories on this.
Corbyn did try and score points the other day by going on about diplomat cuts after it’d just happened which was not the time and tbh i don’t think he’s strong enough to run a bath nevermind a country and deal with people such as Putin.
However i do wonder if May could use abit of his caution.
We definitely do need a leader who has the balls to stand up and be strong in times like these and to give us confidence but we don’t want to rush headlong into possibly irreversible decisions either.
With how delicate this situation is i’m thinking she was maybe abit hasty.When we’re hearing things like it was “more than likely” the Russian state.Is that good enough really?Should’nt we be sure before expelling 23 diplomats and taking other harsh measures against a military superpower?
She gave Russia 24 hours to give an explanation before she acted.She knew she wouldn’t get one because Russia doesn’t respond to ultimatums.
What if this wasn’t a government sanctioned hit?What if this Novichok was leaked to somebody by someone lower down than Putin who wanted to stir up a diplomatic crisis before his election?
It may not be likely but possible.Even Theresa May said they could have “lost control” of it.
Should we as a country be acting so strongly on “more than likelies”?
Maybe it would’ve been wise to let the investigation go on abit longer for more certainty.
Gavin Williamson’s speech was nothing more than embarrassing.He didn’t sound tough,diplomatic or intelligent.I mean “shut up and go away”.Come on.

It wasn't a speech from Gavin Williams, it was his and others thoughts on what's just happened. Why was it embarrassing? because he understood Corbyn (a man he can't stand) wanted to know why plan B had been scrapped? You may not see him as intelligent but you're wrong, he's a brilliant critical thinker and he's not afraid to put that critical thinking out to an audience. That debate was a lot more intelligent than most debates we ever see on here. I suggest it was boring and embarrassing because you don't agree with him.

As for nerve agents (Novichok) falling into someone else's hands. Its entirely possible. We know that US and other Nato intelligence services visited Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union and that they visited the factory in Uzbekistan where this nerve agent was made. It could of fallen into a number of hands and not only the Russians.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

As for nerve agents (Novichok) falling into someone else's hands. Its entirely possible. We know that US and other Nato intelligence services visited Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union and that they visited the factory in Uzbekistan where this nerve agent was made. It could of fallen into a number of hands and not only the Russians.

So now you are trying to blame the West!!! You are incredible. You appear to have a distinct dislike of the West - it is ever present in just about everything you say on the subject.