[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I think the problem with talking about transphobic language/word usage is that this conversation and the whole trans issues thing is still in such an early stage, we haven't really reached a point where there is a general consensus in society on all these things, on the same level that we have with issues such as racism/sexism/homophobia. And it's because we haven't yet and because of this being something where such big changes are likely to take place in the coming years that I think right now the most important thing is just that everyone is involved in it and all viewpoints are heard. All the other stuff comes later I think including deciding what is now acceptable and not acceptable to say. I do feel really uncomfortable when I see certain things being said and I think some of them shouldn't be acceptable, however I think at this stage in where we're at with it all it's more important that the actual issues are discussed and I'd worry about people not being involved because of worrying about saying the wrong thing. Vicky for example is hugely knowledgeable on all this stuff and although I disagree with most of her viewpoints I've also learnt a lot from her. And I don't like seeing a transwoman being described as a man but if that's how someone views them then we need to understand that and the reasons why and other than the person stating it as 'I think she is a man' I don't really know else that person would be involved in the discussion? This all goes for both sides though and the contention around the word cis is a good example of that.

...yeah..’self identification’ and legislations relating to ...are also relatively new as well, Jamie...in the discussions of...I imagine there has been many, many ‘dodgy’ debating over time which has led to understanding and progression....which is why tolerance is very much needed, obviously to a different level of some other things ...TiBB staff did that is what we’ll be saying in the future....