[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Rubbish.

Really? You're stating that as a man, you can say with certainty that women don't face sexism? How is that any different than saying as a white person that you can say that black people don't face racism?

I'm not saying you can't give an opinion on it as a man but to say that you know better than women what they face/have faced seems a bit illogical

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Really? You're stating that as a man, you can say with certainty that women don't face sexism? How is that any different than saying as a white person that you can say that black people don't face racism?

I'm not saying you can't give an opinion on it as a man but to say that you know better than women what they face/have faced seems a bit illogical

I didn't say women don't face sexism.

I also didn't say I knew better.

Do I think much of the attitude displayed in much of the OP's link? Not really. Nor do I think it justifies the casual sexism thrown at men as some kind of retaliation.

I don't wish to get all "the truth" on a topic about women, that's really not me. But it smacks of self victimisation. Especially in several topics on this forum when I'm told my opinion holds no validity as a man.

Equality doesn't come from a war with the group you want parity with imo. No, I'm not a woman, does that make me incapable of comprehending injustice or discrimination? No. Does it make me incapable of relating to a fellow human being? No.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I didn't say women don't face sexism.

I also didn't say I knew better.

Do I think much of the attitude displayed in much of the OP's link? Not really. Nor do I think it justifies the casual sexism thrown at men as some kind of retaliation.

I don't wish to get all "the truth" on a topic about women, that's really not me. But it smacks of self victimisation. Especially in several topics on this forum when I'm told my opinion holds no validity as a man.

Equality doesn't come from a war with the group you want parity with imo. No, I'm not a woman, does that make me incapable of comprehending injustice or discrimination? No. Does it make me incapable of relating to a fellow human being? No.

What casual sexism was thrown at you though? What I've seen is women talking about women and you taking that as a slight against men.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What casual sexism was thrown at you though? What I've seen is women talking about women and you taking that as a slight against men.

Not at all.
Several times in this thread and others I've had replies beginning with "you're a man" "you're male though you don't count". Laughably, even in threads where the topic is not even about women/female. That's what I take as a slight.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not at all.
Several times in this thread and others I've had replies beginning with "you're a man" "you're male though you don't count". Laughably, even in threads where the topic is not even about women/female. That's what I take as a slight.

Well, It's certainly not my intention to shut you are anyone else down, I'm interested in everyone opinions, It's just I suppose, this topic accompanied with that trans topic and most especially, I suppose "what makes a woman a woman" (or a man a man aswell, it seems to have changed to more of a women topic though because it by far affects women and our rights over men and theirs) It feels a little bit like being told (and tbf in there it was all by men) that what we think and feel about being women is wrong. Anyway I don't want to fall out with you about it. These are just my thoughts on it all

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, It's certainly not my intention to shut you are anyone else down, I'm interested in everyone opinions, It's just I suppose, this topic accompanied with that trans topic and most especially, I suppose "what makes a woman a woman" (or a man a man aswell, it seems to have changed to more of a women topic though because it by far affects women and our rights over men and theirs) It feels a little bit like being told (and tbf in there it was all by men) that what we think and feel about being women is wrong. Anyway I don't want to fall out with you about it. These are just my thoughts on it all

Oh I'm not falling out with anyone about it.

But in regards to the other thread it wasn't my view that women don't have the right to feel how they feel as women but that their ire was directed at entirely the wrong thing and the biggest topic of conversation in the other thread was about something that didn't even solely concern women.

I just think the fact that it was a gender split in forum consensus that I objected to that being used as a reason to label me and my view on it "sexist" I found it baffling and if it wasn't so annoying I'd have found it hilarious too. When I wasn't being told I was sexist, I was being told I'm a man so don't understand (men don't think much you see) but the double standard in sexism didn't seem to apply.

This isn't a personal thing. I can't remember whether you personally posted anything in that vein but the general tone of the thread certainly was.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh I'm not falling out with anyone about it.

But in regards to the other thread it wasn't my view that women don't have the right to feel how they feel as women but that their ire was directed at entirely the wrong thing and the biggest topic of conversation in the other thread was about something that didn't even solely concern women.

I just think the fact that it was a gender split in forum consensus that I objected to that being used as a reason to label me and my view on it "sexist" I found it baffling and if it wasn't so annoying I'd have found it hilarious too. When I wasn't being told I was sexist, I was being told I'm a man so don't understand (men don't think much you see) but the double standard in sexism didn't seem to apply.

This isn't a personal thing. I can't remember whether you personally posted anything in that vein but the general tone of the thread certainly was.

I see where you're coming from when you say that it isn't just a womens issue because technically speaking of course it is not. I think the problem is though (and why women are being most vocal/resistant to some of the issues raised in that other thread) it just won't effect men in any real way where as it will women. That's why it feels like men are less understanding of where we're coming from because yes it will effect you to a point but you seem to not really care about concerns we have.