[ChristmasNeeve]

anyway what they are guilty of beyond reasonable doubt is being absolute disgusting, disrespectful scumbags who clearly view women as objects for their amusement and for that alone I hope the IRFU make the right call and don't ever let them play Rugby with Ireland again

[Cherry Christmas]

Didn't know anything about this case but from what Niamh said it sounds like they are guilty as hell

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Didn't know anything about this case but from what Niamh said it sounds like they are guilty as hell

guilty of what?

rape? no

treating a girl like a blow up doll and humiliating her? probably yes

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

guilty of what?

rape? no

treating a girl like a blow up doll and humiliating her? probably yes

It's not as similar to the Ched Evans case as you make out tbf LT. She didn't forget the night or anything, she was obviously upset that night as reinforced by the cab driver who would have no vested interest. She confided in her friend the next morning, she turned down an offer of money to shut up about it by one of mens father, the medical examiner found bleeding in her vagina etc etc

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not as similar to the Ched Evans case as you make out tbf LT. She didn't forget the night or anything, she was obviously upset that night as reinforced by the cab driver who would have no vested interest. She confided in her friend the next morning, she turned down an offer of money to shut up about it by one of mens father, the medical examiner found bleeding in her vagina etc etc

How did she get into their hotel room 3 on 1?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

How did she get into their hotel room 3 on 1?

You obviously no very little about the case considering you don't even know where it happened so I'm going to leave the conversation here with you.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You obviously no very little about the case considering you don't even know where it happened so I'm going to leave the conversation here with you.

I know what the article tells me and it does not say. I take it they did not kidnap her so Id expect its pertinent to the case and to why they were let off

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not as similar to the Ched Evans case as you make out tbf LT. She didn't forget the night or anything, she was obviously upset that night as reinforced by the cab driver who would have no vested interest. She confided in her friend the next morning, she turned down an offer of money to shut up about it by one of mens father, the medical examiner found bleeding in her vagina etc etc

They tried to bribe her with money and a jury still found them not guilty?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

anyway what they are guilty of beyond reasonable doubt is being absolute disgusting, disrespectful scumbags who clearly view women as objects for their amusement and for that alone I hope the IRFU make the right call and don't ever let them play Rugby with Ireland again

Men like that the World Over
they won in the Court of Law
Northern Ireland

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by arista

Men like that the World Over
they won in the Court of Law
your nation,

It was a British court Arista, Northern Ireland but the men play for Ireland as Rugby is an All Ireland sport

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It was a British court Arista, Northern Ireland but the men play for Ireland as Rugby is an All Ireland sport

Yes it was a British Court

Sorry my Error,

[user104658]

It's a tough one because what is likely to be true and what can actually be proven in court are two separate things, and sadly any sexual assault is very difficult to prosecute if there are no other witnesses. The same goes for an absolute tonne of these historic sexual assault cases where the accused walks out of court without charges; "not found guilty" is not the same as "proven innocent".

Originally Posted by Niamh.

anyway what they are guilty of beyond reasonable doubt is being absolute disgusting, disrespectful scumbags who clearly view women as objects for their amusement and for that alone I hope the IRFU make the right call and don't ever let them play Rugby with Ireland again

I also agree with that, they should face personal consequences for their conduct alone, even without the rape allegations.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a tough one because what is likely to be true and what can actually be proven in court are two separate things, and sadly any sexual assault is very difficult to prosecute if there are no other witnesses. The same goes for an absolute tonne of these historic sexual assault cases where the accused walks out of court without charges; "not found guilty" is not the same as "proven innocent".



I also agree with that, they should face personal consequences for their conduct alone, even without the rape allegations.

Yes unfortunately cases like this are virtually impossible to prove, it comes down to one persons word against another (in this case one persons word against 4 others) I think the way the victims of abuse are treated in court though is appalling and it's no wonder the vast majority of rapes/sexual assaults go unreported.