[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I'm not blaming the victim in this case I'm saying she was reckless and so what If i was blaming her! I'm just as entitled to that opinion as anyone else's opinion.

As a parent I have raised my daughter to be aware of the dangers that are out there.

So what if you were?
Well the responsibility of the rape is always on the rapist. It is their crime and theirs alone no matter the actions of the victim.

Can you think the victim careless or irresponsible in putting themselves in harms way or leaving themselves vulnerable? Of course. Can they actually be blamed for the rape? No. Not at all.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Can you think the victim careless or irresponsible in putting themselves in harms way or leaving themselves vulnerable? Of course. Can they actually be blamed for the rape? No. Not at all.

Surely the issue there though, is that a lot of people would brand the former as the latter? i.e pointing out that someone has engaged in risky behaviour is seen as "victim blaming" when it isn't actually assigning blame in any way.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Surely the issue there though, is that a lot of people would brand the former as the latter? i.e pointing out that someone has engaged in risky behaviour is seen as "victim blaming" when it isn't actually assigning blame in any way.

Oh in that case I don't see that as victim blaming at all. It's pointing out stupid irresponsible actions IMO.

It's like leaving your door wide open and getting robbed. Are the thieves entirely to blame for the whole crime no matter what? Yes. Did the victim deserve to get robbed? No. But did they make a ****ing stupid idiotic mistake? Yes.

I responded to sheriff though because they did say "so what if I'm blaming them" suggesting they were but oh well.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Surely the issue there though, is that a lot of people would brand the former as the latter? i.e pointing out that someone has engaged in risky behaviour is seen as "victim blaming" when it isn't actually assigning blame in any way.

No someone ''blaming victims'' is ''victim blaming'' that's why people accuse them of ''victim blaming'' especially when they admit they ''blame the victim''

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No someone ''blaming victims'' is ''victim blaming'' that's why people accuse them of ''victim blaming'' especially when they admit they ''blame the victim''

But pointing out basic safety precautions e.g. staying in groups, not going off with relative strangers, not walking home alone or through secluded areas etc. is often lumped in as "victim blaming". I'm not saying that's happening here, but it does happen? A common reply being "people shouldn't have to do those things because people shouldn't rape!"... Which sort of goes without saying. Obviously rape and other assaults should never happen... But they do happen... And therefore, taking as many precautions as is feasible is important.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But pointing out basic safety precautions e.g. staying in groups, not going off with relative strangers, not walking home alone or through secluded areas etc. is often lumped in as "victim blaming". I'm not saying that's happening here, but it does happen? A common reply being "people shouldn't have to do those things because people shouldn't rape!"... Which sort of goes without saying. Obviously rape and other assaults should never happen... But they do happen... And therefore, taking as many precautions as is feasible is important.

Does that include how they dress - it is a fine line! Women in rape trials have always had their characters’ questioned? Par for the course.

Some cultures ostensibly ‘protect’ women by keeping them virtual prisoners in the home and not allowing them a voice. If they break the ‘rules’ the consequences can be severe. Victim blaming of women is rife across the board.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But pointing out basic safety precautions e.g. staying in groups, not going off with relative strangers, not walking home alone or through secluded areas etc. is often lumped in as "victim blaming". I'm not saying that's happening here, but it does happen? A common reply being "people shouldn't have to do those things because people shouldn't rape!"... Which sort of goes without saying. Obviously rape and other assaults should never happen... But they do happen... And therefore, taking as many precautions as is feasible is important.

This happened in a group.. parties often contain people you don't know, how in this context is she in any way culpable?

Your foreshadowing of what could happen isn't relevant here.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No someone ''blaming victims'' is ''victim blaming'' that's why people accuse them of ''victim blaming'' especially when they admit they ''blame the victim''

you have failed to understand TS point

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you have failed to understand TS point

ok