[bots]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yes, I was accusing 'Jewdas' of being anti-Semitic in ESSENCE but Demolition Red's response post to me had no relevance whatsoever to whether I was accusing 'Jewdas' of anti-Semitism or not - as I have PROVED above and which she has not responded to.

But that aside, what has my accusation to do with you or Demolition Red? Are you both now Officially Policing the forums for perfectly valid posts to unjustly 'hatchet' because such posts do not align with your own skewed views?

If you do not agree with my opinions then merely post a valid response which actually ADDS to the debate.

Exactly Kirk. Everyone can see what's going on here and it appears to be supported by the moderating team.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yes, I was accusing 'Jewdas' of being anti-Semitic in ESSENCE but Demolition Red's response post to me had no relevance whatsoever to whether I was accusing 'Jewdas' of anti-Semitism or not - as I have PROVED above and which she has not responded to.

But that aside, what has my accusation to do with you or Demolition Red? Are you both now Officially Policing the forums for perfectly valid posts to unjustly 'hatchet' because such posts do not align with your own skewed views?

If you do not agree with my opinions then merely post a valid response which actually ADDS to the debate.

No, we are just standing up for the Jews who are being shot down as fanatics and non-Jews. There are many thousands of members on that site you condemn, most are likely Jewish.

This thread is all about how Corbyn and the Left have an antisemitic problem and people are jumping on little snippets that feed their agenda. I came back in here because Kizzy was being treated like some sort of traitor and because some people on here started bordering on racism towards a certain type of Jew.

It was hypocritical beyond belief.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

To try and justify a potential leader of this country spending 4 hours with a gaggle of immature extremist kids who say **** gay police, all police are bastards is honestly beyond ridiculous

I dont think members will forget this thread for a long time or the attempts to justify repulsive behavior of the alt-left


Its interesting to note that most of our left leaning members have avoided this thread like the plague and rightly so

Who would blame them. Its like jumping into a pit of hungry vultures and they would be totally outnumbered, their words attacked regardless by people who clearly have only one agenda. If you go on The Daily Mirror or The Independent and Politico comment section or if you go on sites like Digital Spy, people are having open dialogues and so are able to talk frankly without being chased out and laughed at. On here it feels more like the Daily Mail comment section. This is a hugely emotive topic and one where people are heavily frowned upon and are totally outnumberd if they dare disagree.

I came in when I started to see antisemitic comments which was bound to happen the longer this thread went on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No, we are just standing up for the Jews who are being shot down as fanatics and non-Jews. There are many thousands of members on that site you condemn, most are likely Jewish.

This thread is all about how Corbyn and the Left have an antisemitic problem and people are jumping on little snippets that feed their agenda. I came back in here because Kizzy was being treated like some sort of traitor and because some people on here started bordering on racism towards a certain type of Jew.

It was hypocritical beyond belief.

So the thread is about Corbyn and the fact he is anti-Semitic and you are not addressing that but instead focusing on individual members and mini-modding?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So the thread is about Corbyn and the fact he is anti-Semitic and you are not addressing that but instead focusing on individual members and mini-modding?

Ok, I'll give my thoughts on Corbyn so you have it in black and white.

I don't believe Corbyn has a racist bone in his body. He's big on human rights and that's why he's been vocal about Israel/Palestine. I think some of his party have made foolish comments and should be treated appropriately (sacked or heavily reprimanded).

Nearly all of this is about calling any opposition to the Israeli government, "anti-Semitism" a ridiculous claim as many Jews oppose not only Netanyahu and his policies, but also oppose Zionism and the existence of Israel as a state. Corbyn has never opposed an Israeli state. What he's opposed is Israel, supported by the West, controlling four and a half million Arab Muslims by military force. He opposes the apartheid and the continual land grabs. He opposes the breaking of the UN resolution. He opposes the bastardization one of the pillars (I think its the third) of the IDF which is 'assassination' that should only ever be used as a preventative measure when under dire threat but is now being used at youths who throw stones. He opposes the use of human shields. He opposes the partition wall in the West Bank that prevents 36,000 people from accessing essential services and violates international law on every level.

Many people, Jews included oppose all of these things but Corbyn was a voice and I firmly believe that's why he's being demonized now. We are moving towards the next elections and the nasty party had a cunning plan up their sleeve.

In some ways I'm furious with Corbyn. He's had to back track and appologize for the sake of damage limitation but apologizing feeds the thoughts of those who believe he's guilty of some heinous crime. He's deleted thousands of supportive tweets, not because they are racist in anyway but because they don't support Israel and could be used as further fodder against him.

The press have dug up so much dirt on Corbyn because the baying crowd on the Right buy the papers with the juiciest Corbyn slurs. The Israeli propaganda machine is going hell for leather and people are leaving his party, not because of the slurs but because they are seeing Corbyn's weakness in all of this. They wanted, expected even that he would fight fire with fire. He didn't and that could be his demise.

So I congratulate the Tories who've done probably one of the best assassinations I've ever seen.

[Oliver_W]

Is it so hard to say "I support Corbyn, but meeting with Jewdas was pretty stupid" ? Why does it have to be "so there da wrung kind of jews, REEE?!?!" ?

[Livia]

A two-month investigation by the Sunday Times into the 20 biggest pro-Corbyn Facebook groups has found that many of them contain anti-Semitic, racist and abusive comments. The Facebook groups covered in its report have a membership of around 400,000 people including 12 senior staff working for Jeremy Corbyn and shadow chancellor John McDonnell.

If you're not a part of the solution....

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Ok, I'll give my thoughts on Corbyn so you have it in black and white.

I don't believe Corbyn has a racist bone in his body. He's big on human rights and that's why he's been vocal about Israel/Palestine. I think some of his party have made foolish comments and should be treated appropriately (sacked or heavily reprimanded).

Nearly all of this is about calling any opposition to the Israeli government, "anti-Semitism" a ridiculous claim as many Jews oppose not only Netanyahu and his policies, but also oppose Zionism and the existence of Israel as a state. Corbyn has never opposed an Israeli state. What he's opposed is Israel, supported by the West, controlling four and a half million Arab Muslims by military force. He opposes the apartheid and the continual land grabs. He opposes the breaking of the UN resolution. He opposes the bastardization one of the pillars (I think its the third) of the IDF which is 'assassination' that should only ever be used as a preventative measure when under dire threat but is now being used at youths who throw stones. He opposes the use of human shields. He opposes the partition wall in the West Bank that prevents 36,000 people from accessing essential services and violates international law on every level.

Many people, Jews included oppose all of these things but Corbyn was a voice and I firmly believe that's why he's being demonized now. We are moving towards the next elections and the nasty party had a cunning plan up their sleeve.

In some ways I'm furious with Corbyn. He's had to back track and appologize for the sake of damage limitation but apologizing feeds the thoughts of those who believe he's guilty of some heinous crime. He's deleted thousands of supportive tweets, not because they are racist in anyway but because they don't support Israel and could be used as further fodder against him.

The press have dug up so much dirt on Corbyn because the baying crowd on the Right buy the papers with the juiciest Corbyn slurs. The Israeli propaganda machine is going hell for leather and people are leaving his party, not because of the slurs but because they are seeing Corbyn's weakness in all of this. They wanted, expected even that he would fight fire with fire. He didn't and that could be his demise.

So I congratulate the Tories who've done probably one of the best assassinations I've ever seen.

If he is so squeaky clean,just where does the dirt come from to dig up

[Crimson Dynamo]

There are around 270,000 Jews in the UK, they have many well established groups and leaders who speak for them like Ephraim Mirvis, the Chief Rabbi or Jonathan Arkush, President of the Board of Deputies of Jews

In the midst of a huge anti-semitism row centred on JC what does he do?

he goes to meet an alt-left hate-filled "Jewish" splinter group who number 100 and an event at which hostility was expressed to the mainstream Jewish community.



Can anyone tell me why?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

A two-month investigation by the Sunday Times into the 20 biggest pro-Corbyn Facebook groups has found that many of them contain anti-Semitic, racist and abusive comments. The Facebook groups covered in its report have a membership of around 400,000 people including 12 senior staff working for Jeremy Corbyn and shadow chancellor John McDonnell.

If you're not a part of the solution....

As I said, staff were working round the clock deleting tweets, not because they were necessarily racist but because they could be seen as racist by pro-Zionists.

I would love to see some of the tweets the Sunday Times got hold of.

The saying goes: "If you look for something you want to find you will eventually find it"

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There are around 270,000 Jews in the UK, they have many well established groups and leaders who speak for them like Ephraim Mirvis, the Chief Rabbi or Jonathan Arkush, President of the Board of Deputies of Jews

In the midst of a huge anti-semitism row centred on JC what does he do?

he goes to meet an alt-left hate-filled "Jewish" splinter group who number 100 and an event at which hostility was expressed to the mainstream Jewish community.



Can anyone tell me why?

Because he supports their cause regardless of the Right trying to shut him down at every corner.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Because he supports their cause regardless of the Right trying to shut him down at every corner.

what cause?

and who specifically on the right is doing this?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

As I said, staff were working round the clock deleting tweets, not because they were necessarily racist but because they could be seen as racist by pro-Zionists.

I would love to see some of the tweets the Sunday Times got hold of.

The saying goes: "If you look for something you want to find you will eventually find it"

The only one on here who seems to have a problem understanding the Zionism thing, is you. It's your get-out-of-jail card when it comes to speaking about anti-Semitism.

And yeah, nice quote at the end there. Here's one for you: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Because he supports their cause regardless of the Right trying to shut him down at every corner.

So... everyone right of Jewdas.... That's most groups.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

The only one on here who seems to have a problem understanding the Zionism thing, is you. It's your get-out-of-jail card when it comes to speaking about anti-Semitism.

And yeah, nice quote at the end there. Here's one for you: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Lets get one thing straight because your undertone suggests I'm anti-Semitic and coming from you, that holds a mighty punch.

I have nothing against your Jewish affiliation and I don't regard your Zionism as part and parcel of your religion. I'm sure you will argue with that but my stance remains, Zionism is a political movement and not a religious one. A lot of Jews would agree with me; a lot wouldn't. Its no different than disliking one political movement over another. I also appreciate that there's a Left wing Zionist movement in Israel. You can be a Zionist and support an independent state alongside Israel and see the Left Bank occupation as tragic but the Zionist Federation Refuses to Accept Left-wing pro-Israel Movement. In other words they have no voice.

So lets leave Zionism out of things and concentrate on the political think tanks both in Israel and globally instead of intertwining Judaism in all of this because when we intertwine Judaism, you can make accusations of anti-Semitism on here and be believed by all those people on your side. You need to stop using your faith as a weapon to stop political thinkers questioning truths.

Another thing, after reading numerous work from young IDF soldiers I got a very strong impression that their families were totally unaware about just how badly Palestinian families are treated. They live in a utopia and don't see what goes on because the horrors are so well concealed. I believe many Zionists would be horrified if and when they discover all is not as it appears.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If he is so squeaky clean,just where does the dirt come from to dig up

Remember the link I put up about Tory party racism. Some of that dirt was highly racist and some of that racism was antisemitic. So, we can all dig up dirt and pick out the bits that highlight our beliefs and ignore the bits we don't regard as relevant. The bit I dug up was regarded as irrelevant and I was firmly told this wasn't about the Tories, it was about Corbyn!!

Nobody is squeaky clean. Just about every MP and Lord sitting in parliament could have some dirt dug up about them if journalists were prepared to spend the time. That though wouldn't sell newspapers.

I believe the majority can see this for what it is. Its an out and out assassination by a very clever and equally cunning right wing think tank. Most liberal minded people stopped reading this mountain of attacks after the first few prints and that's why some liberal papers dropped the subject or just made some small mention of it without making it a headline. Right wing papers have continued because the Right wing buy their papers but remember, its not the Right that vote for Corbyn.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Lets get one thing straight because your undertone suggests I'm anti-Semitic and coming from you, that holds a mighty punch.

I have nothing against your Jewish affiliation and I don't regard your Zionism as part and parcel of your religion. I'm sure you will argue with that but my stance remains, Zionism is a political movement and not a religious one. A lot of Jews would agree with me; a lot wouldn't. Its no different than disliking one political movement over another. I also appreciate that there's a Left wing Zionist movement in Israel. You can be a Zionist and support an independent state alongside Israel and see the Left Bank occupation as tragic but the Zionist Federation Refuses to Accept Left-wing pro-Israel Movement. In other words they have no voice.

So lets leave Zionism out of things and concentrate on the political think tanks both in Israel and globally instead of intertwining Judaism in all of this because when we intertwine Judaism, you can make accusations of anti-Semitism on here and be believed by all those people on your side. You need to stop using your faith as a weapon to put political thinkers questioning truths.

Another thing, after reading numerous work from young IDF soldiers I got a very strong impression that their families were totally unaware about just how badly Palestinian families are treated. They live in a utopia and don't see what goes on because the horrors are so well concealed. I believe many Zionists would be horrified if and when they discover all is not as it appears.

again you are ranting about Israel, this is not about Israel its about corbyn being ant-Semitic?

please stop derailing the thread

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If he is so squeaky clean,just where does the dirt come from to dig up

One sentence can speak a thousand words.

[jet]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/94...ayer-the-queen

'****' the Queen' Vile attack on Royals by radical group behind Corbyn's Passover meal

JEWDAS, the radical left-wing group that shared a Passover meal with embattled Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, made sickening attacks against the Queen and Prince Philip and called for Parliament to be burnt down, it has been claimed.
The militant group published the vile prayer about the Royal Family in which they said “****" the Queen and especially **** Prince Philip”.

The shock revelation comes after Mr Corbyn was blasted for meeting with the group Jewdas for a Jewish Seder event while his party is engulfed in an anti-Semitism crisis.

The left-wing group last year published a “Prayer against the State of Israel” that ended by saying: “****" the Queen and especially **** Prince Philip. Burn down Parliament. Full Communism. Amen”.

It also included the words “Please God, smash the State of Israel. Smash it in the abundance of your love,” according to the Daily Mail.
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Corbyn continues to associate with the nicest people, eh? One can only assume he feels they are a good fit for him, as do some of his more rabid supporters.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/94...ayer-the-queen

'****' the Queen' Vile attack on Royals by radical group behind Corbyn's Passover meal

JEWDAS, the radical left-wing group that shared a Passover meal with embattled Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, made sickening attacks against the Queen and Prince Philip and called for Parliament to be burnt down, it has been claimed.
The militant group published the vile prayer about the Royal Family in which they said “****" the Queen and especially **** Prince Philip”.

The shock revelation comes after Mr Corbyn was blasted for meeting with the group Jewdas for a Jewish Seder event while his party is engulfed in an anti-Semitism crisis.

The left-wing group last year published a “Prayer against the State of Israel” that ended by saying: “****" the Queen and especially **** Prince Philip. Burn down Parliament. Full Communism. Amen”.

It also included the words “Please God, smash the State of Israel. Smash it in the abundance of your love,” according to the Daily Mail.
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Corbyn continues to associate with the nicest people, eh? One can only assume he feels they are a good fit for him, as do some of his more rabid supporters.

They are clearly anti-royalist. That's the one thing I don't like about this group as I'm very much a royalist. That though, wasn't enough to stop me joining and I'm sure Corbyn didn't join because of their anti-royalness, but hey, it gives you something else to pin on him!!

[Niamh.]

Back ontopic please, also just to clarify DR didn't report Livia.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

They are clearly anti-royalist. That's the one thing I don't like about this group as I'm very much a royalist. That though, wasn't enough to stop me joining and I'm sure Corbyn didn't join because of their anti-royalness, but hey, it gives you something else to pin on him!!

Oh I'm certain that Corbyn or anyone else didn't join just because of their anti - royalness. You miss the point - and that is how nasty and provocative a group they appear to be which a little research shows. Which is fine if one likes that sort of thing and Corbyn et al obviously do.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Back ontopic please, also just to clarify DR didn't report Livia.

TY!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

again you are ranting about Israel, this is not about Israel its about corbyn being ant-Semitic?

please stop derailing the thread

If you don't like what I say you don't have to read it. What have I derailed?

[Maru]

Originally Posted by jet

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/94...ayer-the-queen

'****' the Queen' Vile attack on Royals by radical group behind Corbyn's Passover meal

JEWDAS, the radical left-wing group that shared a Passover meal with embattled Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, made sickening attacks against the Queen and Prince Philip and called for Parliament to be burnt down, it has been claimed.
The militant group published the vile prayer about the Royal Family in which they said “****" the Queen and especially **** Prince Philip”.

The shock revelation comes after Mr Corbyn was blasted for meeting with the group Jewdas for a Jewish Seder event while his party is engulfed in an anti-Semitism crisis.

The left-wing group last year published a “Prayer against the State of Israel” that ended by saying: “****" the Queen and especially **** Prince Philip. Burn down Parliament. Full Communism. Amen”.

It also included the words “Please God, smash the State of Israel. Smash it in the abundance of your love,” according to the Daily Mail.
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Corbyn continues to associate with the nicest people, eh? One can only assume he feels they are a good fit for him, as do some of his more rabid supporters.

Nice. Code for?...