[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

It really feels like you're on a mission and yet you are so wrong about so much. Whilst some on here may believe you and whilst the Right wing government and Right wing Israel would happily cheer you on, people to the Left including Jews won't.

I first saw Corbyn as the main speaker against the war in Iraq rally. He was vocal and passionate and told us what we already guessed, the truth. It turned out he was right.

It doesn't matter how many times you insist Corbyn is anti-Semitic, it won't make it true. Some people believe Israel is the persecuted country and people like the Holy Land five are guilty of terrorism. This are the sort of people Corbyn tries to seek justice for along with a lot of Jewish people who don't sit to the Right. You believe the facts Israel puts out. I don't and neither does Corbyn.

The irrefutable truth is, Corbyn stands with those who are being persecuted and stands against those who oppress them, regardless of their faith. People like you, people who hate Corbyn, will use that as a weapon of antisemitism and even use antisemitism to gain brownie points. Look a little deeper Kirk. Learn both sides of this conflict and not just one side. Learn about Zionism from not only from the Jews who support it but from the Jews who don't because only then can you come to some sort of level headed understanding.

You ask me to clarify what I mean but it would take all day and longer. Better you just listen to the words of an Israeli Jew, when you have the time and if you can be bothered.

This is about the HolyLand five. The sort of people you call terrorists

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How ARROGANT and PRESUMPTIVE. I am well read and informed about Israel and 'Zionism' AND Palestinians thank you.

I do not claim that Israel is blameless in this complex matter but nor do I align with the 'Palestinian' 'cause' after DECADES of interest and research into the whole Israel issue.

As for your claims, it does not matter because neither of us is going to be swayed into changing our opinions or allegiances because of the others claims, which makes the whole point of further debating this issue all rather futile.

As for posting video clips which support your stance, I could FILL a hundred threads with similar which support mine - so again, all rather futile.

So until there is a dedicated Israel/Palestine thread I suggest that we both return to the topic of Corbyn and anti-Semitism within his Labour Party.