[Vicky.]

OK, still not finished looking over the deleted stuff (or the stuff I just deleted, just basically nuked the past few hours of posts without reading...so if any actual ontopic stuff has been removed just PM me) but reopening.

Please keep ontopic or infractions will be given, and we really do not need anymore bans... :/

I don't want to have to permanently close a thread thats generated so much conversation but if it keeps going the same way then I will do it tbh.

PM james if you have issue with anything thats happened here too, rather than bringing it back up in here.

Please do not reply to this post, as obviously that will also be offtopic

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Ok, I'll give my thoughts on Corbyn so you have it in black and white.

I don't believe Corbyn has a racist bone in his body.

^ Some people 'BELIEVE' that the Earth is 'Flat' and others that the moon is made of 'Green Cheese' and they do so DESPITE overwhelming FACT-BASED evidence to the contrary.

Corbyn is IRREFUTABLY anti-Semitic.

Corbyn DEFINES himself as anti-Semitic by his OWN words and his OWN deeds.

His own SELF-DAMNING words and deeds have been on record for decades and the motivations of the many different people or organisations who are now bringing this record 'to light' is totally irrelevant - only the TRUTH matters.

Corbyn himself has left that long record of his anti-Semitism just as surely as 'Man Friday' left his footprint in the sand of Robinson Crusoe Island, and NO ONE who is now retracing that long record has INVENTED or DISTORTED the facts, they are merely reporting those facts.

'THE IRREFUTABLE TRUTH ON THIS MATTER IS OUT THERE' and no amount of whitewashing or smoke-screening or inane denying by fanatical Corbyn supporters can CHANGE that truth because 'that bell has rung'.

"He's big on human rights and that's why he's been vocal about Israel/Palestine."

^ Corbyn keeps 'Human Rights' in his toolbox. It is such a useful tool to have handy, but must only to be used for the 'Right Job' and in Corbyn's case that is almost exclusively any situation which concerns ONLY those people whose CAUSES he ESPOUSES - usually Palestinians and Terrorists.

Is there ONE example ON RECORD of Corbyn being 'Big on Human Rights' or even having SYMPATHY for the thousands of Israeli's - the MAJORITY of them unarmed innocent civilian men, women AND children - killed and wounded by Palestinian Terrorist attacks in Israel?

'Being vocal about Israel/Palestine' is one thing, but being EQUITABLE in that vociferosity and basing that vociferosity on the TRUTH and hard FACTS is quite another, and EVERYTHING which Corbyn has to say on 'Israel/Palestine' is propaganda tailored to advance is own skewed PRO-PALESTINIAN agenda.

" I think some of his party have made foolish comments and should be treated appropriately (sacked or heavily reprimanded)".

^ "Foolish comments"? Is this the UNDERSTATEMENT of the year?:

Jackie Walker, a vice chair of Momentum - APOLOGISED for:

Denigrating security provision at Jewish schools. Make false claims about the universality of National Holocaust Memorial Day. Challenging accepted definitions of anti-Semitism.

Gerry Downing:

911 terrorist murderers 'Must never be condemned".

It is time to "wrestle with the 'Jewish Question'.

Vicky Kirby:



Tony Greenstein:

Made repeated "offensive comments online; offensive posts and comments on his blog; and an email in which he mocked the phrase ‘final solution.’ and repeatedly written blog posts and social media posts attacking senior Labour figures, including Jewish leaders in the party, and referring to Jewish activists as “Zios,” an anti-Semitic term used to describe supporters of Israel"

The list GOES ON AND ON - as you well KNOW - which is why over 50 Labour Pary members have been expelled for 'Unacceptable anti-Semitism' though some have been 'let back in' - and most political experts, including some Labour Party 'moderates', believe this figure to be merely the 'tip of the iceberg'.

So to describe this great UNACCEPTABLE number of Labour Party anti- Semitics as 'SOME', and to categorise their UNACCEPTABLE vile anti-Semitism as mere 'FOOLISH COMMENTS' is ludicrous and misleading.

"Nearly all of this is about calling any opposition to the Israeli government, "anti-Semitism" a ridiculous claim as many Jews oppose not only Netanyahu and his policies, but also oppose Zionism and the existence of Israel as a state."

^ Perhaps you would clarify just what you mean when you write; "Nearly all of this"?

If you mean the many revelations about Corbyn's decades-long dubious conduct then it is most certainly NOT 'nearly all about calling any opposition to the Israeli government anti-Semitism' or any other point which you seek to raise concerning Israel.

It is ABOUT Jeremy Corbyn and the RAMPANT and PROVEN and ADMITTED anti-Semitism which festers within the now malevolent core of his Labour Party, and bringing Israel into the thread is a mere if glaringly transparent attempt at deflection.

Incidentally, you are WRONG in your skewed statements about Israel and such a complex topic demands its own thread, so should you wish to initiate one I will GLADY contribute to it.

"Corbyn has never opposed an Israeli state. What he's opposed is Israel, supported by the West, controlling four and a half million Arab Muslims by military force. He opposes the apartheid and the continual land grabs. He opposes the breaking of the UN resolution. He opposes the bastardization one of the pillars (I think its the third) of the IDF which is 'assassination' that should only ever be used as a preventative measure when under dire threat but is now being used at youths who throw stones. He opposes the use of human shields. He opposes the partition wall in the West Bank that prevents 36,000 people from accessing essential services and violates international law on every level".

^ Virtually ALL the above is inaccurate, totally PRO-PALESTINIAN propaganda and as stated above needs to be debated under its OWN thread topic.

"Many people, Jews included oppose all of these things but Corbyn was a voice and I firmly believe that's why he's being demonized now. We are moving towards the next elections and the nasty party had a cunning plan up their sleeve."


^ Corbyn was most CERTAINLY a 'VOICE', one which has been recorded on numerous occasions referring to evil TERRORIST organisations such as Hamas and Hezbollah as “friends,” and repeatedly and often UNJUSTLY criticising the Israeli government, in addition to gushing support for the IRA as well as the Palestinian Authority and diverse anti-Semitic individuals AND Groups, and this being IRREFUTABLY true, then no one but Corbyn himself has DEMONISED Corbyn.

The 'Nasty Party' - is this play on word phonetics mere accident? If not, I would suggest that the term is better suited to the Labour Party given the irrefutable hatred by some of their members towards Jewish people.

However, as far as any 'cunning plan' up anyone's 'sleeve' I will say again that it is totally IRRELEVANT what the motives are of anyone reporting on Corbyn's unacceptable and highly dubious conduct or the unacceptable anti-Semitism within his Labour Party, and this also applies if the Tory Party or Right Wing ARE opportunistically seizing on these facts to capitalise from them.

If Man Friday had NEVER walked on that beach, Crusoe could NEVER have discovered his footprint.

"In some ways I'm furious with Corbyn. He's had to back track and appologize for the sake of damage limitation but apologizing feeds the thoughts of those who believe he's guilty of some heinous crime.


^ Defendants who have been caught for a string of crimes OFTEN apologise to the Criminal Court just before they are due to be sentenced.

This 'apology' has more to do with a desperation to remain at liberty than it has genuine remorse for the crimes.

And so it is with Comrade Jeremy; he has indeed 'backtracked' AND 'apologised', but it has ZILCH to do with any remorse or regret for the unacceptable things which he has said and done and is indeed ALL to do with 'Damage Limitation', because he is DESPERATE to become Prime Minister of this country and he realizes that the chances of that desire now becoming a reality are diminishing by the hour.

"He's deleted thousands of supportive tweets, not because they are racist in anyway but because they don't support Israel and could be used as further fodder against him."

^ Sorry, but the above really does beggar belief.

He has 'deleted thousands of supportive tweets' NOT because they are innocuous, but OBVIOUSLY specifically because they are DAMNING and WILL be used 'as further fodder against him."

Did you perchance consult Hilary Clinton and her former cronies when you wrote the above?

"The press have dug up so much dirt on Corbyn because the baying crowd on the Right buy the papers with the juiciest Corbyn slurs."

^ Absolute TOSH. What has been reported about Corbyn are FACTS, not allegations or 'Slurs', and NO ONE who is intelligent and learned enough to be able to actually READ, buys ANY newspaper SPECIFICALLY because it has the 'juiciest Corbyn slurs'.

"The Israeli propaganda machine is going hell for leather and people are leaving his party, not because of the slurs but because they are seeing Corbyn's weakness in all of this. They wanted, expected even that he would fight fire with fire. He didn't and that could be his demise."

^ Are you SERIOUSLY claiming that the 'ISRAELI'S' are responsible for the series of revelations of Corbyn's appalling conduct?

Are you SERIOUSLY claiming that 'people are leaving his party' because of their perceived weakness in how Corbyn has REACTED to his critics and NOT because of their disdain for his ACTIONS in committing all these offensive and wholly unacceptable offences in the first place?

Corbyn has been grovellingly - almost obsequiously - apologetic in his reaction to these revelations because even he KNOWS that THEY ARE ALL TRUE.

He DID it. He JOINED those anti-Semitic Organisations. He SPOUTED all those 'Terrorist-Loving' words. He gushingly SUPPORTED the IRA and Hamas and Hezbollah. He SUPPORTED anti-Semitic artists and Holocaust Deniers.

His 'DEMISE' will NOT be that he did not react like a Hawk to those criticising him for his actions, his demise will be because he PERPETRATED those actions.

"STOP PRESS. JUDGE DISMISSES YORKSHIRE RIPPER PETER SUTCLIFFE'S CRIMES BUT JAILS HIM ANYWAY FOR NOT STANDING UP TO THOSE CRITICISING THOSE CRIMES"

"So I congratulate the Tories who've done probably one of the best assassinations I've ever seen."

^ Come off it, You should be congratulating Comrade Corbyn for committing one of the best political Hara Kiris ever seen instead.

All in my opinion of course.

[DemolitionRed]

It really feels like you're on a mission and yet you are so wrong about so much. Whilst some on here may believe you and whilst the Right wing government and Right wing Israel would happily cheer you on, people to the Left including Jews won't.

I first saw Corbyn as the main speaker against the war in Iraq rally. He was vocal and passionate and told us what we already guessed, the truth. It turned out he was right.

It doesn't matter how many times you insist Corbyn is anti-Semitic, it won't make it true. Some people believe Israel is the persecuted country and people like the Holy Land five are guilty of terrorism. This are the sort of people Corbyn tries to seek justice for along with a lot of Jewish people who don't sit to the Right. You believe the facts Israel puts out. I don't and neither does Corbyn.

The irrefutable truth is, Corbyn stands with those who are being persecuted and stands against those who oppress them, regardless of their faith. People like you, people who hate Corbyn, will use that as a weapon of antisemitism and even use antisemitism to gain brownie points. Look a little deeper Kirk. Learn both sides of this conflict and not just one side. Learn about Zionism from not only from the Jews who support it but from the Jews who don't because only then can you come to some sort of level headed understanding.

You ask me to clarify what I mean but it would take all day and longer. Better you just listen to the words of an Israeli Jew, when you have the time and if you can be bothered.

This is about the HolyLand five. The sort of people you call terrorists

Youtube video

[DemolitionRed]

And here he is again. The man answering questions on why he turned from Zionism to activism

Youtube video

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

It really feels like you're on a mission and yet you are so wrong about so much. Whilst some on here may believe you and whilst the Right wing government and Right wing Israel would happily cheer you on, people to the Left including Jews won't.

I first saw Corbyn as the main speaker against the war in Iraq rally. He was vocal and passionate and told us what we already guessed, the truth. It turned out he was right.

It doesn't matter how many times you insist Corbyn is anti-Semitic, it won't make it true. Some people believe Israel is the persecuted country and people like the Holy Land five are guilty of terrorism. This are the sort of people Corbyn tries to seek justice for along with a lot of Jewish people who don't sit to the Right. You believe the facts Israel puts out. I don't and neither does Corbyn.

The irrefutable truth is, Corbyn stands with those who are being persecuted and stands against those who oppress them, regardless of their faith. People like you, people who hate Corbyn, will use that as a weapon of antisemitism and even use antisemitism to gain brownie points. Look a little deeper Kirk. Learn both sides of this conflict and not just one side. Learn about Zionism from not only from the Jews who support it but from the Jews who don't because only then can you come to some sort of level headed understanding.

You ask me to clarify what I mean but it would take all day and longer. Better you just listen to the words of an Israeli Jew, when you have the time and if you can be bothered.

This is about the HolyLand five. The sort of people you call terrorists

Youtube video

How ARROGANT and PRESUMPTIVE. I am well read and informed about Israel and 'Zionism' AND Palestinians thank you.

I do not claim that Israel is blameless in this complex matter but nor do I align with the 'Palestinian' 'cause' after DECADES of interest and research into the whole Israel issue.

As for your claims, it does not matter because neither of us is going to be swayed into changing our opinions or allegiances because of the others claims, which makes the whole point of further debating this issue all rather futile.

As for posting video clips which support your stance, I could FILL a hundred threads with similar which support mine - so again, all rather futile.

So until there is a dedicated Israel/Palestine thread I suggest that we both return to the topic of Corbyn and anti-Semitism within his Labour Party.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

How ARROGANT and PRESUMPTIVE. I am well read and informed about Israel and 'Zionism' AND Palestinians thank you.

I do not claim that Israel is blameless in this complex matter but nor do I align with the 'Palestinian' 'cause' after DECADES of interest and research into the whole Israel issue.

As for your claims, it does not matter because neither of us is going to be swayed into changing our opinions or allegiances because of the others claims, which makes the whole point of further debating this issue all rather futile.

As for posting video clips which support your stance, I could FILL a hundred threads with similar which support mine - so again, all rather futile.

So until there is a dedicated Israel/Palestine thread I suggest that we both return to the topic of Corbyn and anti-Semitism within his Labour Party.

You don't need to post a hundred but a few may be informative.

As for returning to topic. Do you mean the topic of slating Corbyn for being ant-Semitic? because if you do, what I'm saying is very relevant in his defense. You may not like it but it explains a lot about what's been happening and why the Right wing government want to swing this into something much bigger and more outrageous that what it is.

I have never said that those who have used anti-Semitic slurs within the Labour Party shouldn't be brought to task. I was talking about Corbyn and Corbyn and accusations of anti-Semitism is very much a part of this topic.

As for me being arrogant, please explain?

[Kizzy]

I should like something clarified too, if the group Jewdas wrote an information book/pamphlet on antisemitism, how then are they antisemitic?

[Oliver_W]

Why was the Jewdas thread merged with this one when Jewdas have said vile things unrelated to anti-Semitism?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You don't need to post a hundred but a few may be informative.

As for returning to topic. Do you mean the topic of slating Corbyn for being ant-Semitic? because if you do, what I'm saying is very relevant in his defense. You may not like it but it explains a lot about what's been happening and why the Right wing government want to swing this into something much bigger and more outrageous that what it is.

I have never said that those who have used anti-Semitic slurs within the Labour Party shouldn't be brought to task. I was talking about Corbyn and Corbyn and accusations of anti-Semitism is very much a part of this topic.

As for me being arrogant, please explain?

Your advice to me to "Look a little deeper Kirk. Learn both sides of this conflict and not just one side. Learn about Zionism" is NOT arrogant and presumptuous?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I should like something clarified too, if the group Jewdas wrote an information book/pamphlet on antisemitism, how then are they antisemitic?

I refer to the definition of anti-Semitism as DEFINED by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance - a definition which has been formally agreed and adopted by the UK Government:

"Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

Are not 'Jewdas' GUILTY of perpetrating ALL of the above?

One can be JEWISH and still be anti-Semitic just like one can be BRITISH and still be Anti-British AND anti-Britain.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Is it cause im jewish looking?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I refer to the definition of anti-Semitism as DEFINED by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance - a definition which has been formally agreed and adopted by the UK Government:

"Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

Are not 'Jewdas' GUILTY of perpetrating ALL of the above?

One can be JEWISH and still be anti-Semitic just like one can be BRITISH and still be Anti-British AND anti-Britain.

The IHRA definition of antisemitism is being used to muzzle free speech on Israel/Palestine and on Zionism as a political ideology, which like any other political ideology can be supported or rejected and should be open to question.

We consider the IHRA definition/statement to be potentially dangerous for Jews. If opposition to Israeli policy and state action can be defined as “antisemitic” in such a manipulative way, then those who rightly continue to stand up for Palestinian rights might start to doubt the credibility of the label “antisemite”. Actions targeting the Israeli state may spread to more general Jewish targets, and genuinely antisemitic statements and actions may be taken less seriously.
http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/ne...nd-free-speech.

Jewdas are the people who are not allowed a voice. Even though Zionism is a relatively new idea, Zionists are now the largest and most powerful group of Jews in the world and any Jew who declines Zionism is considered a non Jew.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The IHRA definition of antisemitism is being used to muzzle free speech on Israel/Palestine and on Zionism as a political ideology, which like any other political ideology can be supported or rejected and should be open to question.

We consider the IHRA definition/statement to be potentially dangerous for Jews. If opposition to Israeli policy and state action can be defined as “antisemitic” in such a manipulative way, then those who rightly continue to stand up for Palestinian rights might start to doubt the credibility of the label “antisemite”. Actions targeting the Israeli state may spread to more general Jewish targets, and genuinely antisemitic statements and actions may be taken less seriously.
http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/ne...nd-free-speech.

Jewdas are the people who are not allowed a voice. Even though Zionism is a relatively new idea, Zionists are now the largest and most powerful group of Jews in the world and any Jew who declines Zionism is considered a non Jew.

If Jewdas find themselves without a 'voice' due to not complying with the WIDELY ACCEPTED definition of anti-Semitism, then perhaps they should just cease talking infantile crap for the sake of sensationalism.

Seeing as how they are a tiny nutjob fringe group anyway, if they do clam up they will NOT be missed.

Incidentally, you always use the word Zionism as if it was a 'bad smell' - just what is your definition of the word?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If Jewdas find themselves without a 'voice' due to not complying with the WIDELY ACCEPTED definition of anti-Semitism, then perhaps they should just cease talking infantile crap for the sake of sensationalism.

Its not just Jewdas though is it, its all non-Zionist Jews. Why do Zionists get to make the rules on what anti-Semitism is? Judaism is a faith, not an political movement but you clearly support the political movement and **** the rest.

Seeing as how they are a tiny nutjob fringe group anyway, if they do clam up they will NOT be missed.

You clearly didn't watch those videos I posted because if you had you would know you're talking bollox. What about the masses of Jews who are third-forth generation Israelis? The ones who fully recognize what's going on and want democracy for the Palestinians as well as the Jews. The ones who resent the land grabs for new Jewish settlers whilst more Arabs suffer to make way for them. Are they not allowed a voice either because if they are seen to protest the present regime its heavily frowned upon and seen as un-Zionist.

Incidentally, you always use the word Zionism as if it was a 'bad smell' - just what is your definition of the word?

Its a political organization that has ruled and conquered a land. Its not Judaism but it has been adopted by many Jews as their right of passage to return to Zion and a belief that to be a Jew is to be an Isralite (even though there's no anthropologist on this earth who knows what happened to the ten tribes of Israel. So they can't trace their heritage back to Israel, even if they've been persuaded they can).

Zionism was an idea that started in the late 1800's and didn't take hold until 1948 when there were thousands of displaced refugees but even then it was heavily frowned upon by most Jews. When the US opened its door to some of those refugees it was suggested by the Zionist party that instead they should be sent to Israel but when they first invited people to go and settle in Israel, most declined.

It grew and it spread. With help from Western governments it conquered pillaged and took a land and segregated large portions that was previously occupied by Arabs and other faiths including Jews.

Zionists believe they have the right of passage and non Zionists are no different than nearly all Jews before the 1950s. Non Zionists believe that Zionism takes away all the fundamental good of what is a beautiful religion... Judaism.
So no, they are not nutters and honestly, I find that hugely insulting.

Let me make one thing clear. I don't think most Zionists are bad people. I think most Zionists are good Jews who are either unaware or have little interest in what's gone on and what's still going on. But people are starting to become aware; There are huge movements in Israel thats starting to ask the right questions and so like Peled says, if there is going to be changes it won't be a change of Israeli government or a new American president. It will be a grass routes change and this apartheid will cease to be.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I refer to the definition of anti-Semitism as DEFINED by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance - a definition which has been formally agreed and adopted by the UK Government:

"Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

Are not 'Jewdas' GUILTY of perpetrating ALL of the above?

One can be JEWISH and still be anti-Semitic just like one can be BRITISH and still be Anti-British AND anti-Britain.

Can one?... Let's see some academic Jewish corroboration for that rather bold claim.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Can one?... Let's see some academic Jewish corroboration for that rather bold claim.

My claim in my post is CORROBORATED by the ACCEPTED definition of Anti-Semitism in the IHRA quote included in it AND by the FACT that the 'Micky Mouse' Organisation of Irrelevant Trolls 'Jewdas' have been repeatedly guilty of anti-Semitism by their conduct.

Anti-Semitism is a CRIME.

It does not matter a FIG just what Gender, Colour, Creed, Nationality or Politics a PERPETRATOR of a crime is, he is STILL guilty of that crime.

Thus; someone who commits Anti-Semitism by WORD or DEED is an ANTI-SEMITIC regardless of whether he himself is Jewish or not.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

My claim in my post is CORROBORATED by the ACCEPTED definition of Anti-Semitism in the IHRA quote included in it AND by the FACT that the 'Micky Mouse' Organisation of Irrelevant Trolls 'Jewdas' have been repeatedly guilty of anti-Semitism by their conduct.

Anti-Semitism is a CRIME.

It does not matter a FIG just what Gender, Colour, Creed, Nationality or Politics a PERPETRATOR of a crime is, he is STILL guilty of that crime.

Thus; someone who commits Anti-Semitism by WORD or DEED is an ANTI-SEMITIC regardless of whether he himself is Jewish or not.

If you are a Zionist then non-Zionist Jews are often seen as anti-Semitic, even if the Zionist is non-religious Jew and the person they are accusing of being anti-Semitic is deeply religious Jew. The IHRA supports this but what the IHRA should be reminded of is, there were very few Zionist supporters who went to the gas chambers.

Political ideology has allowed Zionism to create a great chasm of hatred, divide and racism towards their fellow Jew.

[DemolitionRed]

Lets look at this on a moral level or a Christian level. Is it okay for a none Jew to like and support one type of Jew and hate and put down another?

[Northern Monkey]

Cba to read this whole thread but it seems like anti semitism in the Labour Party is getting conflated with anti-Zionism.Obvs two different things.However you do tend to find that ‘i’m not anti semitic i’m just anti-Zionist’ is commonly used as a cover for Jew hating.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Cba to read this whole thread but it seems like anti semitism in the Labour Party is getting conflated with anti-Zionism.Obvs two different things.However you do tend to find that ‘i’m not anti semitic i’m just anti-Zionist’ is commonly used as a cover for Jew hating.

I agree with this and I think the denial of any possibility of wrong doing by Corbyn and close supporters is as worrying as the issue itself. No-one is beyond reproach.

I almost feel like I should apologise for being absent for a few days, it seems like everyone had a wild time while I was gone!

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Lets look at this on a moral level or a Christian level. Is it okay for a none Jew to like and support one type of Jew and hate and put down another?

I think there is a problem in the essence of this question. You, morality or Christianity shouldn't be hating any 'type of Jews'. Yes you can hate a teaching, belief, religion, ideal, state, political affiliation etc but hating Jews is anti semitism. It's an entirely different thing.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

My claim in my post is CORROBORATED by the ACCEPTED definition of Anti-Semitism in the IHRA quote included in it AND by the FACT that the 'Micky Mouse' Organisation of Irrelevant Trolls 'Jewdas' have been repeatedly guilty of anti-Semitism by their conduct.

Anti-Semitism is a CRIME.

It does not matter a FIG just what Gender, Colour, Creed, Nationality or Politics a PERPETRATOR of a crime is, he is STILL guilty of that crime.

Thus; someone who commits Anti-Semitism by WORD or DEED is an ANTI-SEMITIC regardless of whether he himself is Jewish or not.

''However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.''

What would you say pushes their view into antisemitism?

I thought this came from some Jewish authority.. No it was penned by fatty pickles!! :/
Who knows the most about antisemitism...a tory

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...f-antisemitism

Here is some help,

https://www.jewdas.org/how-to-critic...-anti-semitic/

[DemolitionRed]

There is no real discussion about anti-semitism just appeals to emotion. Trying to magnify things by taking them out of context.
I've said before the whole thing is a power play, an attempt to undermine the democratic process. Its power politics and its so dangerous.

[Parmy]

Israel is a vile cesspit that must be destroyed at all costs.


That is the view of judas.

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

There is no real discussion about anti-semitism just appeals to emotion. Trying to magnify things by taking them out of context.
I've said before the whole thing is a power play, an attempt to undermine the democratic process. Its power politics and its so dangerous.

except that multitudes within the labour party have acknowledged that there is a problem within their ranks. Corbyn has publicly apologised and vowed to do something about it. So it's hardly consistent to say that things are being taken out of context.

Also, given Corbyn has admitted that there is a problem, at a minimum it was foolish to meet with a jewish splinter group rather than the main jewish representation, at a maximum it was sticking 2 fingers up at the issue. People are free to decide what they want with respect to Corbyn's actions, but it's not realistic to attempt to put a positive spin on it as to do so supports the concept of anarchy which flies in the face of supporting him to be the next PM

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

except that multitudes within the labour party have acknowledged that there is a problem within their ranks. Corbyn has publicly apologised and vowed to do something about it. So it's hardly consistent to say that things are being taken out of context.

Also, given Corbyn has admitted that there is a problem, at a minimum it was foolish to meet with a jewish splinter group rather than the main jewish representation, at a maximum it was sticking 2 fingers up at the issue. People are free to decide what they want with respect to Corbyn's actions, but it's not realistic to attempt to put a positive spin on it as to do so supports the concept of anarchy which flies in the face of supporting him to be the next PM

I agree with this. And it's soothing to see a post not banging on about Zionism.