[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Exactly, which seems ridiculous to me. Especially when two people are in an argument and one is behaving far worse than the other.

There are always 2 sides to a story and an argument,one person may say outright their part while the other one is sneaky to avoid the radar ,but BOTH should be infracted ,it shouldn't save your neck by being the slyest

[Josy]

I've already posted in admin but I don't agree that mods should assigned to moderating certain areas of the forum, yes it may sound good in theory but it really wouldnt work on here partly due to members becoming aware of which mods doing what and starting a 'this mod is bias campaign' when the infractions are given out, and others can argue that it won't happen but it already does and will continue to. And then there's the fact that certain areas on here are much busier and more hostile than other areas, the times that mods are online/offline would also have to be worked out and factored in, thats just the first thoughts that came to me about it.

I will say though there is a big problem on this forum atm that needs sorting, thats both down to members and staff issues that need to be dealt with ASAP.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Josy

I've already posted in admin but I don't agree that mods should assigned to moderating certain areas of the forum, yes it may sound good in theory but it really wouldnt work on here partly due to members becoming aware of which mods doing what and starting a 'this mod is bias campaign' when the infractions are given out, and others can argue that it won't happen but it already does and will continue to. And then there's the fact that certain areas on here are much busier and more hostile than other areas, the times that mods are online/offline would also have to be worked out and factored in, thats just the first thoughts that came to me about it.

I will say though there is a big problem on this forum atm that needs sorting, thats both down to members and staff issues that need to be dealt with ASAP.

Welcome back Mrs Josy. Could you not trial it in SD for 3 months or something? I think most people would be happy if bans and infractions are handed out by someone who plays within the rules themselves and someone who is fair and even handed?

[smudgie]

One word answer.
Respect.


Long answer.
Is it so flippin’ hard to respect the fact that people have different views on any given subject.
That’s the reason to debate a subject, learn about different views.
Personal grievances have no place on any forum, especially an otherwise friendly one like TIBB.
A decent sense of humour and a bit of lightning up would go a long way as well.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

One word answer.
Respect.


Long answer.
Is it so flippin’ hard to respect the fact that people have different views on any given subject.
That’s the reason to debate a subject, learn about different views.
Personal grievances have no place on any forum, especially an otherwise friendly one like TIBB.
A decent sense of humour and a bit of lightning up would go a long way as well.

Well said Smudgie

[jet]

Originally Posted by Maru

Honestly shocked that this board is all global moderators. That's a problem. There should be 1-2 global moderators who can cover in separate sections if there is a gap ... but there absolutely should not be 7-8 people modding the entire board. Then there's no sense of ownership or authority for those sections and no accountability. There's also no way to moderate consistently when you have 4-5 cooks in the kitchen.

And they should have a choice too what they will moderate... putting Vicky back into a section that's made her miserable would be emotionally abusive imo

Agree 100%.

[Cherie]

The other suggestion with regard to SD is that the mod or mods could be anonymous, though I can only speak for myself if the modding is fair, and even handed and people can see that mods who break the rules are treated the same way as members it would go a long way to restoring some trust in the system.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by smudgie

One word answer.
Respect.


Long answer.
Is it so flippin’ hard to respect the fact that people have different views on any given subject.
That’s the reason to debate a subject, learn about different views.
Personal grievances have no place on any forum, especially an otherwise friendly one like TIBB.
A decent sense of humour and a bit of lightning up would go a long way as well.

Totally agree with this, I say a LOT tongue in cheek as that is my sense of humour, but some choose to not get it and go ott in abuse instead of seeing the comment for what it was ....... F.U.N. I don't expect everyone to have a good sense of humour,the world isn't perfect, but it would go a long way to making this a happier place if they had

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The other suggestion with regard to SD is that the mod or mods could be anonymous, though I can only speak for myself if the modding is fair, and even handed and people can see that mods who break the rules are treated the same way as members it would go a long way to restoring some trust in the system.

My major gripe is that mods can say what they like to who the like with no recourse, this needs addressing..... 99% of the modding on here is fair and accepted,its when the line is crossed and when said mods are being used to fire the gun for their mates as there is no come back on them that has caused all of this debate ,and although today everyone seems to think big changes will happen on here,Im sad to say they wont,within a few days we will be back to square one ,with the same thing happening

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The other suggestion with regard to SD is that the mod or mods could be anonymous, though I can only speak for myself if the modding is fair, and even handed and people can see that mods who break the rules are treated the same way as members it would go a long way to restoring some trust in the system.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

My major gripe is that mods can say what they like to who the like with no recourse, this needs addressing..... 99% of the modding on here is fair and accepted,its when the line is crossed and when said mods are being used to fire the gun for their mates as there is no come back on them that has caused all of this debate ,and although today everyone seems to think big changes will happen on here,Im sad to say they wont,within a few days we will be back to square one ,with the same thing happening

Mods should be treated the same... but let's face it, there's only one mod who breaks the rules continually, and that's Dezzy. I have another infraction from him today, in spite. Because the post wasn't worth an infraction. But look at his posts! - not on this thread though, where he's being all jokey and trying not to acknowledge that it is he who is the problem.

I'm not sure whether to report his posts every time he acts unreasonably - which is often - or just quote his posts and highlight the nonsense.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Mods should be treated the same... but let's face it, there's only one mod who breaks the rules continually, and that's Dezzy. I have another infraction from him today, in spite. Because the post wasn't worth an infraction. But look at his posts! - not on this thread though, where he's being all jokey and trying not to acknowledge that it is he who is the problem.

I'm not sure whether to report his posts every time he acts unreasonably - which is often - r just quote his posts and highlight the nonsense.

Totally agree,ONE mod is ruining what was and could be a great,fun place to visit ,and I also agree his long humble post doesn't wash with me

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Livia

Mods should be treated the same... but let's face it, there's only one mod who breaks the rules continually, and that's Dezzy. I have another infraction from him today, in spite. Because the post wasn't worth an infraction. But look at his posts! - not on this thread though, where he's being all jokey and trying not to acknowledge that it is he who is the problem.

I'm not sure whether to report his posts every time he acts unreasonably - which is often - or just quote his posts and highlight the nonsense.

I did wonder where that post disappeared to !

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The other suggestion with regard to SD is that the mod or mods could be anonymous, though I can only speak for myself if the modding is fair, and even handed and people can see that mods who break the rules are treated the same way as members it would go a long way to restoring some trust in the system.

That's the thing though, modding is already anonymous. A person can only assume that a certain mod is handing out infractions, they can't truly know.

One example of this involves Niamh, when SamPVT was on the forum, she would get tirades of abuse any time he got infracted although most of the time she had nothing to do with it and even if she was behind the infractions, all of the infractions Sam received were fair because all mods see every infraction that occurs and if we take issue with it, we say something. .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's the thing though, modding is already anonymous. A person can only assume that a certain mod is handing out infractions, they can't truly know.

One example of this involves Niamh, when SamPVT was on the forum, she would get tirades of abuse any time he got infracted although most of the time she had nothing to do with it and even if she was behind the infractions, all of the infractions Sam received were fair because all mods see every infraction that occurs and if we take issue with it, we say something. .

I mean anonymous in that someone else is appointed as a Mod, the forum doesn't need to know who they are, if the appeals section is open anyone with an issue can take it there, if the anonymous mod is fair and even handed I can't see the issue, I used to see Sam himself accuse Niamh, I can't remember anyone else doing it and I certainly didn't.

[Livia]

Is that my post you're reporting Dezzy?

Another infraction coming my way no doubt.

[Rob!]

Oh look. The banned members come back and automatically the witch hunts begin again.

Sense of humour that we choose not to get? Utter bollocks.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's the thing though, modding is already anonymous. A person can only assume that a certain mod is handing out infractions, they can't truly know.

One example of this involves Niamh, when SamPVT was on the forum, she would get tirades of abuse any time he got infracted although most of the time she had nothing to do with it and even if she was behind the infractions, all of the infractions Sam received were fair because all mods see every infraction that occurs and if we take issue with it, we say something. .

When you're the only mod on the board and people are being infracted for stuff that's barely infractable.... it's you.

You are not a fair mod, Dezzy. I would love to see how you fared as an ordinary forum member without hiding behind your moderator status. I hope we get to find out some time soon.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

When you're the only mod on the board and people are being infracted for stuff that's barely infractable.... it's you.

You are not a fair mod, Dezzy. I would love to see how you fared as an ordinary forum member without hiding behind your moderator status. I hope we get to find out some time soon.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Oh look. The banned members come back and automatically the witch hunts begin again.

Sense of humour that we choose not to get? Utter bollocks.

It's not a witch-hunt, Rob. And if you really think that, you underestimate the power of feeling on the forum at the moment. Maybe if you were in SD more, you'd see the problem.

[Rob!]

Why would being in SD more make a difference? I’ve seen what it’s like in there myself. It’s horrible. It’s full of arguments, not debates and people are made to feel like crap for having a different opinion. It also is the area that is causing one of the main issues (although there are others. Why would I want to post in there?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I mean anonymous in that someone else is appointed as a Mod, the forum doesn't need to know who they are, if the appeals section is open anyone with an issue can take it there, if the anonymous mod is fair and even handed I can't see the issue, I used to see Sam himself accuse Niamh, I can't remember anyone else doing it and I certainly didn't.

It's a good idea in theory but I don't think it would work in practice. I think people would just start assuming who the mod was. You could in theory have different mods take 'SD shifts' at intervals not revealed to members but I'm not sure how much that would help either.

If it was down to me, I'd just bring in two new mods who have no political interest or interest in SD itself to moderate it.

[Twosugars]

the rightwing clique is back at it, concerted effort to bring down a mod and probably even drive him off the forum
Luckily Dezzy has plenty of support, regardless whether he is a mod or not.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's a good idea in theory but I don't think it would work in practice. I think people would just start assuming who the mod was. You could in theory have different mods take 'SD shifts' at intervals not revealed to members but I'm not sure how much that would help either.

If it was down to me, I'd just bring in two new mods who have no political interest or interest in SD itself to moderate it.

That could work

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Why would being in SD more make a difference? I’ve seen what it’s like in there myself. It’s horrible. It’s full of arguments, not debates and people are made to feel like crap for having a different opinion. It also is the area that is causing one of the main issues (although there are others. Why would I want to post in there?

Because you're calling this a witch hunt, and it isn't. And if you don't go into SD then you don't have the full picture... but you're free to comment without knowing the full picture, of course. I would prefer you saw both sides, then you'd understand.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

the rightwing clique is back at it, concerted effort to bring down a mod and probably even drive him off the forum
Luckily Dezzy has plenty of support, regardless whether he is a mod or not.

You've been here three months, if we're to believe you're not a returning member... you know neither the facts nor the strength of feeling on the forum. If you did, you may be a little less blinkered.